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nelsonescorcio · 05-25-2009, 05:28 PM

Well, this discussion is off topic, and it deserves a thread of it's own - but I must stress the issue in not as clear as it may seem.

The thing is: most of the laws forbids DRM removal as a way of duplicating digital content.

Now, what about DRM removal por personal use only (removing it to be able to use the file in a diferent device).

Another thing: as far as I can see, there will be, in MOST cases and at least in continental Europe, conflict of laws regarding the issue: one might say you can't remove DRM (let's now forget the context); many others (some even constitutional laws) will surely say you should be able to fully use and transform the things you own as long as you are not breaching someone else's rights...

It is a complex and tecnical issue and I am not, at this point, confortable to discuss it because I would like first to study something more about it.

But I will say this much: I can see very solid legal arguments being build for defending someone acused of removing DRM por personal use (not that this kind of case willl EVER reach a court... For many, many reasons).

Oh, and for the record: I have NEVER removed any DRM. But I can truly see the (legal) case for defending it...

hidari · 05-25-2009, 07:01 PM

So,

Any rumours on Opus or a Firmware update this week?

JSWolf · 05-25-2009, 10:06 PM

Captain: Magnify forward view to maximum
Grunt: Aye sir
Captain: My god! Look at all that damge caused to Bookeen by Sony. Any survivors Number One?
Number One: No sir. But there is an alpha firmware that's gotten loose and it's reeking havoc with Gen3 users over on planet 12345-qwerty. They cannot properly read their ePub documents.
Captain: Ahead maximum warp to planet 12345-qwerty.
Grunt: Course laid in sir.
Captain: Make it so!
Grunt: Aye captain.
Captain: Number One, break out the Sony Readers so the people of 12345-qwerty will be able to read their ePub document.
Number One: Aye sir!

ser1us · 05-26-2009, 02:31 AM

hi, there are some rumors by the way... received an email last week from booken:

20 May

Quote:

Sir,

The firmware update will be available next week.

Meanwhile, we invite you to reformat the device (right click on the Cybook Gen3 driver while this one is connected to your computer).

This is a reply to my problem, I can't read any files on the internal memory after formatting the device.

Keep your fingers crossed, it may be released this week

Regards!

Snuffi · 05-26-2009, 03:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nelsonescorcio

Harry, could you please name a country where you are sure DRM removal (for personnal, non lucrative use) is illegal?

Because I have - as a jurist -, serious doubts that there are a single...

I mean, to be illegal it is not enough someone saying so (even if it is a publishing house).

I am serious. Could you please name one country and the law you may be breaching if you remove DRM?

It is definitely illegal in Germany as well as the US. The US has had the Digital Millenium Act in place for several years now which explicitly prohibits hacking protection mechanisms and Germany has recently introduced a similar law which makes it illegal to circumvent any form of copyright protection. I have followed the discussion there for a while since I am afraid that they might adopt a similar law here and it's pretty bad. With that law in place it is illegal to sell or even distribute any kind of software which allows the user to get around protection which basically makes it even illegal to watch DVDs on linux systems or transfer your own CDs to your mp3 player (if the CDs are copy protected).
The problem with that law is that it is still legal to make personal copies of the CDs, DVDs or software one owns (for personal use, only) but as you are not allowed to get around the copy protection it's essentially rendering your right to copy useless.

Snuffi · 05-26-2009, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ser1us

hi, there are some rumors by the way... received an email last week from booken:

20 May

This is a reply to my problem, I can't read any files on the internal memory after formatting the device.

Keep your fingers crossed, it may be released this week

Regards!

Sure, it's going to be released "next week" but they didn't tell you when they would start counting. You just automatically assumed that it's "next week counting from the day you received that e-mail" which is most probably wrong...

ser1us · 05-26-2009, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snuffi

Sure, it's going to be released "next week" but they didn't tell you when they would start counting. You just automatically assumed that it's "next week counting from the day you received that e-mail" which is most probably wrong...

Well, maybe it's too optimistic ;-) But if they say next week I think it's really the next following week and not next week beginning in a month :P

Krystian Galaj · 05-26-2009, 03:39 AM

You are

Still, a year ago they were saying "some months", so them saying "next week" is definitely a sign of progress.

Ortep · 05-26-2009, 04:36 AM

Did you guys never see the following sign in a bar:

Free Beer Tomorrow?

When you see that on a monday an you come back on tuesday for your 'Free Beer' guess what the bartender will tell you.

Jellby · 05-26-2009, 04:56 AM

It will be "next week" forever

ser1us · 05-26-2009, 05:08 AM

No matter what all of you say, I still hope for this week ;-) I want to believe!!!

By the way, I suppose they release something soon anyway. Bookeen presented the new Opus device which has a new firmware.

If they want to keep both devices on the same level they have to provide the firmware for the Gen3 sooner or later.

From the Opus presentation:

Quote:

Launch date: June 2009

not much time until June!

That's the reason why I think they're going to release a new firmware very soon.

GeoffC · 05-26-2009, 05:16 AM

Bookeen Blog ,

Bookeen blog .."to give all the last (latest?) information concerning our developments".

If OPUS is a new product and close to the issuing date, then why in all that is communicable in this world is there no mention of it in the blog .....

Doctor Spock, your logical analysis please....

Abelturd · 05-26-2009, 05:53 AM

Maybe they lost (forgot) the password and now they can't log in on blogspot.

GeoffC · 05-26-2009, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abelturd

Maybe they lost (forgot) the password and now they can't log in on blogspot.

Not even a hint on their main page that there is an OPUS on sale any day soon .....

Godzil · 05-26-2009, 06:58 AM

maybe they lost too their administrative password on their servers? Maybe that's why it was down for some time yesterday?

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05-25-2009, 05:28 PM	#271
nelsonescorcio Zealot Posts: 108 Karma: 102 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Portugal Device: Cybook Gen 3	Well, this discussion is off topic, and it deserves a thread of it's own - but I must stress the issue in not as clear as it may seem. The thing is: most of the laws forbids DRM removal as a way of duplicating digital content. Now, what about DRM removal por personal use only (removing it to be able to use the file in a diferent device). Another thing: as far as I can see, there will be, in MOST cases and at least in continental Europe, conflict of laws regarding the issue: one might say you can't remove DRM (let's now forget the context); many others (some even constitutional laws) will surely say you should be able to fully use and transform the things you own as long as you are not breaching someone else's rights... It is a complex and tecnical issue and I am not, at this point, confortable to discuss it because I would like first to study something more about it. But I will say this much: I can see very solid legal arguments being build for defending someone acused of removing DRM por personal use (not that this kind of case willl EVER reach a court... For many, many reasons). Oh, and for the record: I have NEVER removed any DRM. But I can truly see the (legal) case for defending it...

05-25-2009, 10:06 PM	#273
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,796 Karma: 146391129 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Captain: Magnify forward view to maximum Grunt: Aye sir Captain: My god! Look at all that damge caused to Bookeen by Sony. Any survivors Number One? Number One: No sir. But there is an alpha firmware that's gotten loose and it's reeking havoc with Gen3 users over on planet 12345-qwerty. They cannot properly read their ePub documents. Captain: Ahead maximum warp to planet 12345-qwerty. Grunt: Course laid in sir. Captain: Make it so! Grunt: Aye captain. Captain: Number One, break out the Sony Readers so the people of 12345-qwerty will be able to read their ePub document. Number One: Aye sir!

05-26-2009, 03:39 AM	#278
Krystian Galaj Guru Posts: 820 Karma: 11012 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Warsaw, Poland Device: Bookeen Cybook	You are Still, a year ago they were saying "some months", so them saying "next week" is definitely a sign of progress.

05-26-2009, 04:36 AM	#279
Ortep Fanatic Posts: 527 Karma: 470 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Netherlands Device: Kindle Oasis	Did you guys never see the following sign in a bar: Free Beer Tomorrow? When you see that on a monday an you come back on tuesday for your 'Free Beer' guess what the bartender will tell you.

05-26-2009, 04:56 AM	#280
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,550 Karma: 19500001 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	It will be "next week" forever

05-26-2009, 05:16 AM	#282
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	Bookeen Blog , Bookeen blog .."to give all the last (latest?) information concerning our developments". If OPUS is a new product and close to the issuing date, then why in all that is communicable in this world is there no mention of it in the blog ..... Doctor Spock, your logical analysis please....

05-26-2009, 05:53 AM	#283
Abelturd Little Fuzzy Soldier Posts: 580 Karma: 5711 Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Nowhere in particular. Device: cybook gen3, htc hero, ipaq 214	Maybe they lost (forgot) the password and now they can't log in on blogspot.

05-26-2009, 06:58 AM	#285
Godzil a pthread?? where? where? Posts: 1,763 Karma: 30462 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Somewhere in EU Device: Newton MessagePad 2100, and only this	maybe they lost too their administrative password on their servers? Maybe that's why it was down for some time yesterday?