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Old 02-16-2024, 10:13 PM   #301
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...not sure about a Libra update, what kind of new features they could add that justifies a new device. We already have USB-C, a crisp screen, good battery life, audiobook support. Maybe a Libra with a Mobius screen? But that's just not enough by itself.
Better processor, slimmer and more lightweight design.

Mobius screen reduces contrast, I've heard, so no to that, if it's true.
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Old 02-17-2024, 12:24 AM   #302
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Mobius screen reduces contrast, I've heard, so no to that, if it's true.
The contrast of a Mobius screen is that same as the contrast of a glass backed screen—the display is opaque so the backing does not change the contrast.
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The contrast of a Mobius screen is that same as the contrast of a glass backed screen—the display is opaque so the backing does not change the contrast.
I wonder why it's not used more in ereaders then? Kobo only used Mobius in the Forma and not in newer models. Too expensive? Any other drawbacks?
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Mobius flexible screens are more durable/less prone to breaking due to their decreased rigidity, but they are not as crisp as the Carta glass screens, IIRC.

I tend to agree that a Libra 3E seems unnecessary at this point; it's more likely we'll see a Nia/Sage 2E.
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Agree with the Forma 2, Kobo cannot count to 3 anyway, just like Valve (the half-life game developer ).
Jokes aside, by the issues with the Sage, a 2E update would be expected (better battery, buttons etc), though not sure about a Libra update, what kind of new features they could add that justifies a new device. We already have USB-C, a crisp screen, good battery life, audiobook support. Maybe a Libra with a Mobius screen? But that's just not enough by itself.

I do really hope for a Forma 2 though. For me, the first Forma has the best ereader design ever made, despite I don't like the flush screen in ebook readers in general.
A better processor to make it faster. And Carta 1300 for extra contrast!
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Mobius flexible screens are more durable/less prone to breaking due to their decreased rigidity, but they are not as crisp as the Carta glass screens, IIRC.
Mobius may degrade too. All plastic OLED does.
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It's unforgivable that "Sage" doesn't end in "a". Let's get that Forma 2E!
The problem is that the plastic screen used in the Forma has not moved on. Where as the Carta screen has moved on and has more contrast. is sharper, and faster.
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Better processor, slimmer and more lightweight design.

Mobius screen reduces contrast, I've heard, so no to that, if it's true.
I doubt slimmer is a good idea as it would need a more powerful battery.
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Mobius flexible screens are more durable/less prone to breaking due to their decreased rigidity, but they are not as crisp as the Carta glass screens, IIRC.

I tend to agree that a Libra 3E seems unnecessary at this point; it's more likely we'll see a Nia/Sage 2E.
It might be a Libra 2E.
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A better processor to make it faster. And Carta 1300 for extra contrast!
With a faster processor, you also need a more powerful battery.
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The Sage is limited by the screen performance, so doesn't need more CPU.
They need to ditch all those magnets (4, 6, 8?), the power cover port and have a larger battery.
Also make the page turn buttons more reliable. It's maybe a SW issue, but the original Libra is fine. I can't use the Sage to record narration. The original Libra is good.

There is nothing wrong with contrast. It only needs a newer eink panel if it's faster whole page refresh and faster part update for notes. They also need to have more of the Nebo iOS/Android features such as keyboard support and PDF annotation with converted text and copy/paste that works between epub / notebooks/ PDF annotation etc. It's like three gadgets, not not one.

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I would definitely be interested in a Forma/Sage replacement. I have a Libra 2 but much prefer the 8 inch format. I had a Sage but sold it due to its battery life.
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The problem is that the plastic screen used in the Forma has not moved on. Where as the Carta screen has moved on and has more contrast. is sharper, and faster.
From what I've seen on Eink's site, it would appear that you can get a Carta 1300 film with Mobius substrate in a 9.7" size. This would suggest that the Eink Carta 1300 film can be applied to the plastic substrate if you are willing to order enough units.
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With a faster processor, you also need a more powerful battery.
Depends on the power requirements of the processor and the power management circuitry. One criticism of the Sage and Elipsa is the sunxi power management sucking which is similar to complaints about some of the Pocketbook models using sunxi parts. Part of what Kobo did to reduce power use is to aggressively suspend with light on when not charging. This, IMHO, is likely one of the reasons for complaints about the buttons on the Sage since it takes a while to unsuspend.
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