Sony's new 13.3" digital paper DPTRP1 released

[LarryNYC]

Originally Posted by juegos

Don't forget Sony produces its own phone (Xperia) and has 7100 employees working on that. They know how to write mobile phone apps - let alone a file transfer app - but didn't develop 1 for the DPT-RP1.

Just because they didn't develop one doesn't mean that they're not developing one or that they don't have plans for one. It's more important to get the hardware out the door than it is to develop an iPhone app for it. They certainly have skilled employees who can build an app, that's what I said in my post.

[robko]

Originally Posted by Avenger

The Sony reps have already stated they are fixing some of the navigation issues. Sorry that it didn't come fast enough for you. Your negativity is astounding. Give yours back already and save us the same old tired dialog a million times over.

Originally Posted by rem736

@Avenger, seriously. everyone should be able to express their opinion, even if no one agrees with it. you are saying that @juegos should just give it up since he's being so negative about it. if this is the norm, then this whole fora would be full of positive sentiments about all products. so nothing needs to be improved? so no innovation? no competition?

please respect the opinions of others and their right to express them.

Well said rem736. Juegos has every right to express why they don't like the way some things are done on the DPT-RP1 and is doing so in a respectful way IMHO. I'm sure there are others that may want to use it in similar ways that will be thankful for having it pointed out what the DPT-RP1 ISN'T capable of. There seems to be too much assumption by posters in this thread that the majority use the device the same way as they do and therefore it's a perfect device and ignoring the fact that many others will use it differently.

[John F]

Originally Posted by LarryNYC

Just because the Digital Paper App works in a certain way with the RP1 to transfer files does not mean that an iPhone app would have to work the same way. I'm sure a solution could be devised that relied on the security features inherent in the iPhone, such as the thumb print, which is used for Apple Pay.

I think that you, and all of us, don't know enough to make any pronouncements regarding what is or is not possible.

Is it just me, or are the above two paragraphs contradictory?

And from earlier, The below seemes contradictory to the second paragraph of the above quote?

Originally Posted by LarryNYC

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I could probably write the iOS app to allow PDFs to be transferred back and forth with the RP1, but I'm sure Sony has plenty of smart programmers who could do the same thing. I hope they do it, it would be a killer feature.

[LarryNYC]

Originally Posted by John F

Is it just me, or are the above two paragraphs contradictory?

And from earlier, The below seemes contradictory to the second paragraph of the above quote?

I think there is a difference between whether Sony would want to do it and whether it is technically possible. Juegos seems to think it is technically impossible, due to the type of network connection used and certificates while I feel that there is some technical solution.

But, of course, I don't really know either...so, your point is valid...

[Avenger]

Originally Posted by robko

Well said rem736. Juegos has every right to express why they don't like the way some things are done on the DPT-RP1 and is doing so in a respectful way IMHO. I'm sure there are others that may want to use it in similar ways that will be thankful for having it pointed out what the DPT-RP1 ISN'T capable of. There seems to be too much assumption by posters in this thread that the majority use the device the same way as they do and therefore it's a perfect device and ignoring the fact that many others will use it differently.

It's okay to say it but he repeats the same thing over and over again. It must be the same words in 10 messages. You can point something you don't like out but don't need to keep repeating it forever. We got it the first time.

[lensmann]

Originally Posted by juegos

The number 1 eInk tablet on on my list now is the reMarkable tablet - it has similar hardware and all the features that the DPT-RP1 lacks (navigation, internet, cloud integration, epub support and so on)

Are you sure? I'm interested in the reMarkable as well, but their website suggests otherwise as far as cloud integration is concerned:

Will you support connecting to third party storage services like Dropbox, Google Drive, etc.?
Let's just say the future of the reMarkable is bright and filled with many exciting possibilities. That being said, we never promise anything more than what we feature on our web pages and under product specifications.

They have their own cloud solution, but will that meet your use case of students syncing their work to your device? I can't see anything on the website saying they support shared folders.

Likewise for the internet:

Can I browse the web with the reMarkable?
reMarkable features a digital paper display and focuses on reading, writing and sketching. It does not feature web browsing functionality.

My use case is very similar to yours - with the addition that I edit an academic journal, and will use the device to do an initial check of submissions to decide whether to reject in limine or send out to review. Unlike you, the RP1 would meet my requirements better than the reMarkable does, because syncing once a day is sufficient for me, and I'm never away from my laptop for longer than that when I'm working. However, the difficulty I have is that Sony appears to have no intention of selling the RP1 in Europe; hence my interest in the reMarkable.

[juegos]

Originally Posted by lensmann

Are you sure? I'm interested in the reMarkable as well, but their website suggests otherwise as far as cloud integration is concerned:

They have their own cloud solution, but will that meet your use case of students syncing their work to your device? I can't see anything on the website saying they support shared folders.

Likewise for the internet.

My use case is very similar to yours - with the addition that I edit an academic journal, and will use the device to do an initial check of submissions to decide whether to reject in limine or send out to review. Unlike you, the RP1 would meet my requirements better than the reMarkable does, because syncing once a day is sufficient for me, and I'm never away from my laptop for longer than that when I'm working. However, the difficulty I have is that Sony appears to have no intention of selling the RP1 in Europe; hence my interest in the reMarkable.

File transfer/syncing on the reMarkable is indeed based on their own cloud service, but the device will have internet access (no browser though) and reMarkable apps for iOS and Android connected to that cloud. Hence, for me the most important thing - in comparison to the DPT RP1 - is that I do not need to carry my laptop with me at all times to get documents from and to the device. I can either press a button on my phone when I receive documents from students (e.g. by email or blackboard) or set something up that will auto forward documents from and to a cloud-related folder (I do not know yet if it will auto sync then to the reMarkable cloud or if I still have to press a button on my phone, but nevertheless much more convenient than the DPT-RP1).

Hopefully they will integrate syncing with other cloud services like Dropbox as well, but the fact that the reMarkable at least has internet access as such - contrary to the DPT-RP1 - is very positive and leaves room for future cloud syncing updates. There's also an option to send a document by email directly from the reMarkable, see at 2:00:

[LarryNYC]

Juegos, this is a Sony forum, I'm tired of your shilling for the reMarkable. How many times have you posted this same video? Well, I went back and counted. You've posted it at least four times in the last ten pages or so. Enough is enough. Give us all a break and stop posting the same video.

Do you have any connection to the company that is producing the reMarkable? You have never answered that question, as far as I can tell.

The reMarkable comes in a most unremarkable size. Why bother with that thing, it is too small. I don't care if it floats in the clouds, it will never produce a better user experience than the RP1, just because of screen size. Intelligent margin cropping does not make up for the reduced physical size of the device.

[Prin]

Originally Posted by juegos

Just cancelled my pre-order, syncing is through app only instead of just dropping files in a folder:

Question: Do I have to use the computer app to sync or is there a way to sync from the device directly to cloud storage?
Answer: Hi Joe H., Yes, syncing is done only through the Digital Paper App on your computer. -JenBy Sony U. on June 17, 2017

He said he had already cancelled, but the next few post, he claimed he had ithe device. Confusing. Then, he continued to praise Remarkable and did opposie things to RP1.

[YasBean]

I have a DPT-RP1, and I love it. I understand and appreciate the security model, and really do like that it is unconnected. It is "digital paper," and not an e-reader or Internet device. Even better, it is in my hands (after I finish this post and leave my computer). I suggest a new forum be created for reMarkable and other possible new devices, where people can guess and dream about software, hardware, and capabilities, so that we can back to discussing the Sony DPT-RP1.

[NNN]

Originally Posted by YasBean

I have a DPT-RP1, and I love it. I understand and appreciate the security model, and really do like that it is unconnected. It is "digital paper," and not an e-reader or Internet device.

It may be that two, separate threads should be started: "RP1, Perfect" and "RP1, Shortcomings." While some feel the RP1 is just right (that it should be nothing more than a consumer device for printing virtual paper), many others are disappointed that the software is inadequate to the professional needs of Sony's stated target markets (e.g., law and music).

[fgdas]

Originally Posted by YasBean

I have a DPT-RP1, and I love it. I understand and appreciate the security model, and really do like that it is unconnected.

But all your "secured" documents are on synced Windows or Mac OS computer full of security holes. Such a security is only illusion.

Originally Posted by NNN

It may be that two, separate threads should be started: "RP1, Perfect" and "RP1, Shortcomings."

I've already suggested a new thread for Digital Paper requested missing features which people really want.

[LarryNYC]

We just need to get the reMarkable marketing campaign off of thls thread.

I don't believe the RP1 is perfect, no device or software is perfect. A device that is not shipping is thought of as perfect, however.

It's fine to have one thread for the RP1. Just start a list of features that we would like added to the RP1.

Ok, I'll start.

Suggested improvements to the RP1

1) Add some way to transfer documents to the RP1 while users are away from their main computer. This means either support for cloud integration on the RP1 or iPhone and Android apps that allow users to perform these transfers.

2) Add PDF navigation features, which Sony says they're working on.

3) Support for Bluetooth pedals to allow for hands free page turning.

Continue, referring to just the RP1 and how it could be made better.

[xoanohn]

Originally Posted by LarryNYC

We just need to get the reMarkable marketing campaign off of thls thread.

I don't believe the RP1 is perfect, no device or software is perfect. A device that is not shipping is thought of as perfect, however.

It's fine to have one thread for the RP1. Just start a list of features that we would like added to the RP1.

Ok, I'll start.

Suggested improvements to the RP1

1) Add some way to transfer documents to the RP1 while users are away from their main computer. This means either support for cloud integration on the RP1 or iPhone and Android apps that allow users to perform these transfers.

2) Add PDF navigation features, which Sony says they're working on.

3) Support for Bluetooth pedals to allow for hands free page turning.

Continue, referring to just the RP1 and how it could be made better.

I'll add a couple more:

4) battery notification for the pen. I am paranoid about the pen dying during my 90 minute commute.

5) ability to program the pen buttons and default pen action. I only highlight and holding down the top button is giving me a hand cramp.

6) an option for a home button on the screen. It is jarring to push the physical key when going back into folders.

[Avenger]

Originally Posted by Prin

He said he had already cancelled, but the next few post, he claimed he had ithe device. Confusing. Then, he continued to praise Remarkable and did opposie things to RP1.

I didn't catch this. He also when he said he had it that the Amazon return policy was 2 weeks when it is 4 weeks. Sounds fishy to me.