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Point 2: It sounds as if your ideal reader would have an eInk [touch]screen and keyboard, run on Android and either be rooted or allow you to launch Aldiko stock. I wouldn't be surprised if Amazon created that option (though you might have to root it for Alidiko). Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 06-21-2011 at 07:58 AM. |
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That excerpt doesn't make it clear enough, but he was actually bashing the one feature of e-ink that make it stand out among fans in favor of backlit lcd screens. At least, that's what I figured.
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I'm humorously bashing a guy bashing e-ink in favor of lcd -- and I'm not even an e-ink lover! What's wrong with people's sense of humor? Are you really bedtime literate people or indeed geeks in disguise?
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because you can't change the operating system on e-ink devices? Are you talking about rooting a device? Do you think that the OS is hardware? |
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And I know what I said. The true is that on eink devices, you cannot read a different ebook format without hacking the device. I extrapolated that to the "hardware" word because when you buy the device, you buy thinking about a hardware: Nook, Kindle, Kobo, etc. You don't buy thinking about what software is really working and acting as interface to let you read your books. So again, the format you can actually read on a eink device is tied up to the hardware or device's name: Nook with ePub, Kindle 3 with mobi, Sony with ePub (old DRM implementation), etc. Notice I am talking about out of the box eink devices, not tablets. |
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eGriver eReaders: PDF, EPUB, TXT,CHM, FB2, PRC/MOBI, HTML, DJVU HanLin eBook V3+: PDF, EPUB, TXT, RTF, LIT, PPT, WOLF, DOC, CHM, FB2, PRC/MOBI, HTML, DJVU Sony Touch Edition PRS-650: PDF, EPUB, TXT, RTF Kindle : Kindle (AZW), PRC/MOBI (non DRM), PDF, PDF (non DRM), HTML, DOC, TXT Kobo eReader Touch: PDF, EPUB, MOBI, TXT, HTML, RTF NOOK Simple Touch Reader: PDF, EPUB The one that I chose to buy (Pocketbook 903) supports: FB2, TXT, PDF, DJVU, RTF, HTML, PRC, CHM, EPUB, DOC. |
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![]() Honestly, what's your point. The software layer is the part that provides the abstraction layer and allows the user to read the ebook, via hardware or reader. I did not mentioned TXT, HTML, RTF, because majority of online bookstores use ePub or mobi. At least, those are the most common when you buy from B&N, Sony or Amazon. Glad that you like your Pocketbook, but I don't think that's topic of the thread. And in terms of customer support, overall quality, online bookstore experience, I would not compare the Pocketbook side by side with a Sony, Nook or even Kindle. Last edited by jocampo; 06-21-2011 at 12:43 PM. |
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I think it's a toss-up. Yes, a multipurpose device (i.e., a smartphone or tablet) will let you simply download the appropriate apps and read whatever you want. However, I don't know of any multipurpose devices that are also e-ink, and I think e-ink makes for a more pleasurable reading experience. (Your mileage, obviously, will vary.) For someone with the money to do it, and who doesn't care about e-ink, a capable tablet is probably a better investment. But there are things you give up with either option.
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I registered for these forums just because of this thread haha. I was looking up comparisons of the Kindle to the Nook and I stumbled upon this.
So, what up! Allow me to weigh in my opinions. File Formats I see that a lot of people are supporting the Nook, because of the ePub file format and the notion that you are not locked into the Nook. This is half true as yes you are not locked into the Nook because it supports non-DRM ePub books, but the majority of books you are going to purchase on the Nook are going to be from the Nook’s market, which are DRM protected ebooks. They do have an advantage with Google Books seeing as Google Books only allows users to upload ePub or PDF files. They also have an advantage with ebook vendors outside of the Nook store itself. Feedbooks, which is one of the largest vendors outside of the Nook and Kindle stores, sells exclusive ePub books. They are DRM protected, but I think they can still be read on the Nook. The fact that Google Books allows PDFs might make Kindle fans happy, but you cannot change the fonts of PDFs. This is a big issue to me. One of the reasons why I bought an ereader is because the font in some of the books that I purchased or read were too small for my tastes. Having the option to increase the font size was a big plus to me, that and your own annotations and space-saving purposes. It all comes down to digital rights management. Nook fans state that you can buy from other stores, but most stores that I know of that offer DRM free books have their books available in both Mobipocket and ePub. (Check out feedbooks. It is amazing.) It would be nice to see ereaders accept the DRM Free Fictionbook file format, but that may be asking for too much. One of my favorite authors is Cory Doctorow and he is an anti-DRM activist. All of his books are copyrighted by the Creative Commons license under the public domain. He releases the electronic versions of his books online in either basic text or ePub, I forget. Since his books are licensed under CC, vendors such as Feedbooks or general people take the format and convert it to other formats. The Kindle The Kindle came out in 2007 which gave it a 2 year advantage over the Nook. (Technically it was almost 3 because of the delay in shipments of the first version of the Nook.) The Kindle already established dominance in the ereader and ebook market. The Nook came in at the end of 2009. What I love/hate about the Kindle is that they kept the same design and improved upon it. I was surprised when I saw the design of the Kindle 3, given that I believed that Amazon should have known the direction that B&N was heading when they released the first Nook. The Kindle sold to its customer based on the slim profile of the device and the battery life that blew the Nook’s 10-hour battery life out of the water. The Kindle also one-upped the Nook by allowing MP3 files to be played which allows you to load audiobooks to your Kindle. I have a few gripes with this though. The Kindle has limited memory and audiobooks are not small. Sun Tzu’s The Art of War is around 40 mb. That book is a small book. A Game of Thrones is close to 200 MB, maybe even more. As for being handicapped accessible, how do you expect a blind person to use a Kindle? Why not have it on their phone with speaker functions for the handicapped or in braille CDs that they can put into CD players? The Nook The Nook had an OK startup in my opinion. The thing that hurt them was their delayed release and the operating speed of the ereader itself. The Kindle 2 was snappy at that time, but the Nook was subject to constant freezing problems. I bought the first Nook a few months after it came out. From my experience, I had issues with the freezing OS, the freezing sleep mode, and the poor response of the touchscreen. You can look on the Nook forums at B&N and find that the issues I had were common issues. I traded it in and waited for the Kindle 3. Although I have a Kindle, I admire the overall approach that B&N is taking towards their ereader. They went with the touch screen approach. I believe this is the right direction because it engages readers as if they were reading a normal book and with the new tablet frenzy, I do not see why they would choose not to go with touchscreens. The Nook came out after the Kindle, and you have to admit that Amazon is playing a little catch up. B&N has the Nook color which has sold well and now they have the Nook Simple Touch. Amazon would be dumb not to adopt what B&N has already done or else they will fall behind. Amazon is going to release a touchscreen ereader and then they are going to release an ereader tablet similar to the Nook. Once, that happens I will probably jump ship. It is getting kind of ridiculous in my opinion. What started out as another form of reading, be it improved or not, has exploded into this all-out war on features and what not. Going back to the Nook, it is nice to be able to browse and read within B&N stores, even though I think most booksellers will be closing up shop within the next 5 to 10 years given the explosive rate of ebook sales. They were also one of the first to allow book lending, although limited, and library borrowing. They also support the more widely used ePub file format which I talked about. Appealing to the casual consumer The main purpose of an ereader is to sell ebooks and to make the whole experience feel more like reading an actual book. I see that a lot of posters here state that people can use programs such as Calibre to convert non-DRM books or to manage your books, but it defeats the purpose of synchronization and it is a step backwards in what these devices are intended to do. Manually syncing and managing your own music is a tedious task to do. The casual consumer does not want to go through all the work of saving their purchases on different files or managing it via Sugarsync or Dropbox. They want to have one service that backs it up and syncs it for them. They want they book distributor to manage their content for them. It is not a big issue to most people here, but it is an issue for the casual consumer. Touch vs. Keyboard This is a simple matter of preference. I for one love touch screens. I used to have a Blackberry Curve a while ago and I bought an iPod Touch for my birthday when I had the phone. I used my iPod ten times more than I did my curve. I even used my iPod for texting. I grew accustomed to touch screen devices and I have been using one ever since. The market is also leaning towards touchscreens. With the tablet market booming, it is only a matter of time where you will see buttons and physical keyboards become even rarer than they are now on mobile devices, tablets, and handheld electronics. Apple is dominant in these fields and their products are touchscreen based. Library Lending I think what people are missing here is the market takeover potential that the Kindle will have once it releases the patch that allows you to borrow books from libraries. Most library file formats are in ePub. Either Amazon is working on some contract with publishers to have their ebooks that are lent out to libraries to be available in the Mobipocket file format, or Amazon is working on a ePub to Mobipocket file converter, or Amazon is going to adopt the ePub file format to their platform. This should be interesting either way. Well that’s my long two cents. It looks more like bus fare haha. |
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You link the device to the book store, and to the file format that the store uses. That kind of link is the lock in that everybody talks about. But not all devices are locked in, or to phrase it better, not all devices are locked out of other book stores. It doesn't matter to me that the bookstore attached to Pocketbook isn't any good, because I can get books from other stores. But this is just an example to explain that not all devices are locked in (or out), and I felt the need to give it because you weren't getting the point from just talking about the kindle and the nook.
So here's my point: when it comes to comparing the kindle and the nook in respect to the availability of books, you should compare the Amazon bookstore not only to the B&N store, but to the B&N store + most other stores that sell epub. Because the nook isn't locked in to the B&N store. |
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That's right: Amazon. B&N offers the key to everyone who is willing to take it; Amazon doesn't. |
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