Consumer Reports: Nook Beats The Kindle

[SCION]

Originally Posted by jocampo

Right! But that's not an eink device ... ... is an app. ... we cannot run Android apps on Nook devices, not out of the box. I think we were talking about pure and out of the box eink devices, not Android ones or iPads.

We can read ePub on Kindle I think, but if you hack the device and change the firmware. That's different.

I was just responding to the fact that you can read B&N books on a non-NOOK device/app. That's all. Can you read a Kindle book on a non-Kindle device/app?

[spellbanisher]

Originally Posted by jocampo

Right! But that's not an eink device ... ... is an app. ... we cannot run Android apps on Nook devices, not out of the box. I think we were talking about pure and out of the box eink devices, not Android ones or iPads.

We can read ePub on Kindle I think, but if you hack the device and change the firmware. That's different.

You don't have to change the firmware. You can install duokan as an alternative operating system on the Kindle (you don't have to uninstall the kindle os). But I don't think it would be able to read DRM Epubs.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by SCION

I was just responding to the fact that you can read B&N books on a non-NOOK device/app. That's all. Can you read a Kindle book on a non-Kindle device/app?

Good question! And I know what you mean with that ...

But only tablets run Android apps (out of the box) no eink readers. I think that the thread and main discussion is about eink devices.

I don't know the 1st eink device that out of the box, can read from B&N and Amazon, without any hack.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

You don't have to change the firmware. You can install duokan as an alternative operating system on the Kindle (you don't have to uninstall the kindle os). But I don't think it would be able to read DRM Epubs.

I have not tried, but is a hack anyway. Like running Kindle app. on Nook Touch. I don't feel the need of checking or buying from B&N, to be honest. I can find everything on Amazon. If not, O'reilly or any other online store that sells DRM free books.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by jocampo

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But only tablets run Android apps (out of the box) no eink readers. I think that the thread and main discussion is about eink devices....

I understand. Just want folks to know that they can purchase B&N books and read them without removing DRM if they don't own a NOOK or don't like the NOOK app. Many folks love Aldiko for their Adobe DRM'd ePubs. They may not be aware that they can use it for B&N stuff as well.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by SCION

I understand. Just want folks to know that they can purchase B&N books and read them without removing DRM if they don't own a NOOK or don't like the NOOK app. Many folks love Aldiko for their Adobe DRM'd ePubs. They may not be aware that they can use it for B&N stuff as well.

You are correct SCION.

There is just one caveat ... Aldiko does not support mobi or azw .. so here we go again, and we will start all over again the same discussion about conversion, Calibre, DRM, etc.

[SCION]

Originally Posted by jocampo

You are correct SCION.

There is just one caveat ... Aldiko does not support mobi or azw .. so here we go again, and we will start all over again the same discussion about conversion, Calibre, DRM, etc.

Is there an alternative to the Kindle app for folks? Nope. Why is that the case? I don't know the answer, I'm just asking. I would be more willing to buy Kindle books if there were an alternative app, in the event I can't remove the DRM.

[jocampo]

Originally Posted by SCION

Is there an alternative to the Kindle app for folks? Nope. Why is that?

For DRM protected files? Nope, there is not. We use Kindle for Android, iOs, webOs and Kindle readers of course.

But why you would like to do that if you own a Kindle reader? The only reason I think is if you're not satisfied with the Kindle for Android or whatever app. you're using. On which case, people will have to break the DRM anyway. You have to if you would like to use Apple reader with a B&N book, for example. Another inconvenient is that exporting your books that way (please correct me if I'm wrong) you are not able to sync with your Nook device.

[Namekuseijin]

BTW, I was reading this recent Nook review in Wired and the author comes up with this pearl:

One other hardware quibble: The Nook is an e-ink reader, and like other e-ink readers, it is almost useless in low light. As one who has vowed to never again buy an Itty-Bitty Book Light, I’d happily give up some of the device’s two-month power surplus for a bit of on-demand LED glow. Tablets may be difficult to read in sunlight, but in low light, they still win.

You can see it is a very geeky point of view, the view of one who doesn't really care going out in daylight and gets the best part of his day hacking away in his computer in his dark basement...

[KunoK]

I don't have one of the sony style touch devices, but of the readers I have, the K3 has the best user interface. In my opinion that is.

This is not considering format issues, being locked issues etc.

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by Namekuseijin

You can see it is a very geeky point of view, the view of one who doesn't really care going out in daylight and gets the best part of his day hacking away in his computer in his dark basement...

Or someone who is busy working during the day, and does their majority of reading in bed at night? I have exactly the same view, I prefer a backlit reader because I do almost all my reading in low or no light. Why is that so funny?

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Namekuseijin

You can see it is a very geeky point of view, the view of one who doesn't really care going out in daylight and gets the best part of his day hacking away in his computer in his dark basement...

I agree completely, 200% with the writer of that review.

Originally Posted by murraypaul

Or someone who is busy working during the day, and does their majority of reading in bed at night? I have exactly the same view, I prefer a backlit reader because I do almost all my reading in low or no light. Why is that so funny?

Exactly.

And even now, at the longest day of the year, it's too dark to read in the bedroom in the evening. It's even dark in the living room (too dark to read without assisting lights).

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by jocampo

Why is so difficult to understand for some ...

The ability to open an ebook format depends of the hardware.

That's wrong, and if you think about it for a couple of seconds, you will even understand why.

Figured it out yet?

If not, then this is how it goes: if you have a PC, and haven't installed office on it, you can't read doc files. It is the same way that you need software for pdf files, epub files, mobi files, djvu files, mp3 files, avi files, you know, ALL files.

But I am curios to know which piece of hardware you think is missing from the nook, sony, etc, that keeps them from reading mobi files.

[Prestidigitweeze]

Originally Posted by HarryT

When I tap the screen to select a word on the PRS-350, half the time the wrong word gets selected; I far prefer the word highlight cursor of the Kindle.

I had the same problem at first but now have no problem at all. It isn't so much the size of one's fingers as one's willingness to scrutize and remember the effect of different kinds of gestures and levels of touch.

Originally Posted by Nanopr

For the record and a direct message to Amazon. I will not buy a Kindle or an ebook at Amazon until they fully support ePub. So by default... Nook beats Kindle, no contest.

I understand how you feel, Nanopr, but doesn't that mean you can't make a useful comment on this thread? After all, it was created to discuss specific differences between the Nook Simple Touch and the Kindle 3. By your logic, any Nook trumps any Kindle, which means this discussion is probably academic to you.

[Lizzie in Ma]

Originally Posted by OtterBooks

If the new e-ink Kindle requires touch for anything more than the keyboard (which I rarely use anyway), I'll stick with my K3 til it breaks. I may even buy another K3 for backup.
The only thing that will cause me to buy a newer Kindle is a significant screen quality improvement. Otherwise, my K3 is 'mission accomplished' for ebooks.

Me too. We have and use an Aztak EZ reader, original Nook 3g, my Samsung Vibrant running my beloved Aldiko and my Kindle 3G.
I never thought I would be a Kindle girl and I mean never.
But the contrast is a huge improvement over my Nook and the Astak, I thought I would love touch navigation but I really didn't, too imprecise. I love the keyboard. LOVE it.
The only thing I dislike about both the Nook and the Kindle is DRM but problem solved and I shop at both and put what I buy on the Kindle to my hearts content.
Aldiko is my, bar none, favorite interface but I dislike reading for any length of time on the lcd screen and it kills my battery. I use it mostly when my dh wants to go to sleep and I don't.
For the foreseeable future, I can't imagine an ereader that makes me happier.