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Old 03-26-2011, 10:15 PM   #601
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Does that make us English speakers pirates then?

We need DRM on the spoken word!
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What are talking about? You are stating things that you have no idea if they are true. I had a choice of buying LRX or ePub.

And ePub on my Sony is a mess. No headers, screwy page numbers, no full justification. That's not what I paid for. YMMV.
ePub on the 505 is not a mess. No headers is not an issue. In fact, it's a blessing. The page numbers are not screwy. In fact, the make very good sense. I know there is no full justification. I've read many an ePub that way without any problems.

What you paid for is DRM that cannot be stripped. You paid for headers that waste screen space and have no real use. You paid for margins that are way too small with a base font that is way too small and when you set the font size to medium, you get many lines with wide gaps between the words. Also you get page numbers that change when you change the font size. In English, you get a mess.
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:45 PM   #603
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I may be wrong. . My apologies if I am.

My recollection is I could buy LRX from Sony, or ePub from other vendors. I may be wrong.
No need to apologize. We could both be correct or wrong. I have no idea now that I think of it.

But before Sony added ADE to the 505, all you had was BBeB. Yes, you could go ePub or LRX after Sony added ADE and the publishers started selling in ePub.

If you had a choice of LRX or ePub depended when you bought the LRX and if the publisher had an ePub edition at the time you bought the LRX.

So I'm not sure if we can say if you had a choice or not.
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Why is it a fail?
Social DRM would mean the customer checks out the eBook and will get to keep it. That's not how it should work.
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Loan words? English doesn't just borrow words, it steals them outright!
English doesn't just accept words from other languages, it waylays them in dark alleys and rifles through their pockets for spare vocabulary.
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Nicely said, Worldwalker. Manuals written by people like Graves and Hodges often blame the illogical syntax of English (and praise its expressive vocabulary) on centuries of linguistic muggings.

Of course, as a country, England was usually the one getting mugged back then.
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Social DRM would mean the customer checks out the eBook and will get to keep it. That's not how it should work.
Should work? Why does it matter that customers keep the library book? Most people do not re-read books so they will probably just erase the book when they have read it. The social DRM encourage people not to distribute the book because if the libarary find out they will not be able to lend more books. I think it will work very well.
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Yes, yes it does...and more...
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ePub on the 505 is not a mess. No headers is not an issue. In fact, it's a blessing. The page numbers are not screwy. In fact, the make very good sense. I know there is no full justification. I've read many an ePub that way without any problems.

What you paid for is DRM that cannot be stripped. You paid for headers that waste screen space and have no real use. You paid for margins that are way too small with a base font that is way too small and when you set the font size to medium, you get many lines with wide gaps between the words. Also you get page numbers that change when you change the font size. In English, you get a mess.
That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. IMO, DRM is preventing me from reading what I paid for.

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No need to apologize. We could both be correct or wrong. I have no idea now that I think of it.

But before Sony added ADE to the 505, all you had was BBeB. Yes, you could go ePub or LRX after Sony added ADE and the publishers started selling in ePub.

If you had a choice of LRX or ePub depended when you bought the LRX and if the publisher had an ePub edition at the time you bought the LRX.

So I'm not sure if we can say if you had a choice or not.
I was being conservative because you seemed certain. Since other posts seem to agree with my memory, The apology seems to be unnecessary ; You were wrong.
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Should work? Why does it matter that customers keep the library book? Most people do not re-read books so they will probably just erase the book when they have read it. The social DRM encourage people not to distribute the book because if the libarary find out they will not be able to lend more books. I think it will work very well.
Some peaple would definitifly abuse that.

One of the problem with library, is that we've tried to emulate the "paper book". Rather than going for solutions that would work better for e-books.

I would go for something like : as member of the library, i can cheek out x book at a current time, and checkout x book per month. Guess the mess is some specific software / format for library book. Something to enforce the date thingy, without making a mess of the user's life.
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Some peaple would definitifly abuse that.

One of the problem with library, is that we've tried to emulate the "paper book". Rather than going for solutions that would work better for e-books.

I would go for something like : as member of the library, i can cheek out x book at a current time, and checkout x book per month. Guess the mess is some specific software / format for library book. Something to enforce the date thingy, without making a mess of the user's life.
Some people abuse borrowing paper books from library. So I really do not see the problem. And I do not see how they can abuse it in a way that they cannot abuse the current system with library ebooks.
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Some people abuse borrowing paper books from library. So I really do not see the problem. And I do not see how they can abuse it in a way that they cannot abuse the current system with library ebooks.
Seen that way.
Now that you mention it, there wouldn’t be much more problem than having the paid for books without DRM. Making sure one person can't checkout too many books would do the trick.
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Should work? Why does it matter that customers keep the library book? Most people do not re-read books so they will probably just erase the book when they have read it. The social DRM encourage people not to distribute the book because if the library find out they will not be able to lend more books. I think it will work very well.
Still won't work. People will still send around eBooks. They will find a way. And there is no way social DRM would be used to shut down the library if found out to be shared. Maybe the user's library card revoked.
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That's fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. IMO, DRM is preventing me from reading what I paid for.
Until I moved from my 505 to a 650, I was still able to load and use the LRX I purchased. Did you do something to your 505 that prevents the LRX you purchased from working? Also, when Sony went ePub, I basically ditched the LRX in favor or ePub.

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I was being conservative because you seemed certain. Since other posts seem to agree with my memory, The apology seems to be unnecessary ; You were wrong.
There was LRX before ePub. Then we had ePub and even when we had LRX & ePub, we didn't have all the LRX in ePub. So really, you may or may not have been able to have purchased all of your LRX in LRX or ePub. You may have only had a choice of LRX until the ePub edition was released.
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