Paperwhite Demo at eBay

SampleAndy · 07-23-2013, 10:30 PM

Just checking to see if anyone else is thinking about this.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/151087616746

If you are, let me know via PM what it's worth to you. If you are more interested than I am, I won't bid any higher.

Thanks for reading,
Andy

ixtab · 07-24-2013, 04:18 AM

Well, according to this, you can still bet a little more. It's a fully functional Kindle after all.

SampleAndy · 07-24-2013, 01:31 PM

Well, that WAS the hope.

I was just trying to be polite... or something.

Y'all better hope I DON'T win it, or you'll be seeing dumb questions like never before.

SampleAndy · 07-25-2013, 11:43 AM

Well, the snipe is in. fingers crossed.

HarryT · 07-25-2013, 11:50 AM

Why on Earth would anyone pay for a demo device that it would be illegal to reflash?

What would they do with it?

SampleAndy · 07-25-2013, 02:12 PM

HarryT, even before I became a member here, I was reading about people buying bulk lots of damaged or demo Kindles and "repairing" them. Truthfully, I didn't even think about the legality. I figured with the forum policies on DRM and... (blank look) ... ah. special offers that there would be policies against replacing the OS, too.

HarryT · 07-25-2013, 02:33 PM

True, I guess you could install a different o/s on it.

knc1 · 07-25-2013, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Why on Earth would anyone pay for a demo device that it would be illegal to reflash?

What would they do with it?

I do not follow your reasoning on that.
Why would it be illegal to reflash?

HarryT · 07-25-2013, 02:39 PM

Because you wouldn't have a licence to run the standard Kindle firmware on it. Reflashing it with the standard firmware would be copyright infringement. You could certainly install a standard Linux distro on it, but not copyrighted software like Amazon's firmware.

knc1 · 07-25-2013, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Because you wouldn't have a licence to run the standard Kindle firmware on it. Reflashing it with the standard firmware would be copyright infringement. You could certainly install a standard Linux distro on it, but not copyrighted software like Amazon's firmware.

Different country over here.

HarryT · 07-25-2013, 03:54 PM

Are you saying that where you live you could build a PC, borrow a friend's Windows installation DVD, and install a copy of Windows on your PC without a software licence? That's exactly the same situation as we're talking about here.

thomass · 07-25-2013, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Are you saying that where you live you could build a PC, borrow a friend's Windows installation DVD, and install a copy of Windows on your PC without a software licence? That's exactly the same situation as we're talking about here.

However in this case demo Kindle has it's own licence (serial number) and reflashing it does not alter the part holds this info. In other words you can borrow your friend's installation DVD as long as you have your own serial.

HarryT · 07-25-2013, 04:04 PM

But it doesn't - that's my point. A demo Kindle is not licensed to run the standard firmware. The serial number has nothing to do with it.

Don't take my word for it, though. Ask Amazon.

thomass · 07-25-2013, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

But it doesn't - that's my point. A demo Kindle is not licensed to run the standard firmware. The serial number has nothing to do with it.

If we can use Kindle with this serial number and software to connect to Amazon and use its services doesn't this mean that we have right to do this? ie doesn't this mean that Amazon allows us to do that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Don't take my word for it, though. Ask Amazon.

Yes, this is the right thing to do .

knc1 · 07-25-2013, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryT

Are you saying that where you live you could build a PC, borrow a friend's Windows installation DVD, and install a copy of Windows on your PC without a software licence? That's exactly the same situation as we're talking about here.

Ah, you haven't been following the recent undemo of the Kpw here.
What is being used is the **SIGNED** firmware image posted by Amazon for the use of Kindle owners.
Which, after use, allows the Kindle to be registered with Amazon.

If it where "illegal" - then:

1) Amazon would not allow the "Demo" devices to install anything that wasn't signed with a "Demo Only Certificate". (Or to install anything that was signed by the retail user certificate.)

2) The serial number of the device would be black-listed in their system so that it could not be registered to the new owner.

What **might** be a contract violation, the **sale** of a Demo Kindle by the holder of the Kindle Demonstration contract.
But that contract is not between the new owner and Amazon. That is between Amazon and their Dealer(s).
N.O.P.

In the U.K., the situation may be different.

07-23-2013, 10:30 PM	#1
SampleAndy Addict Posts: 271 Karma: 644344 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Device: KPW, KFire HD, KFire, KTD 3g, KT, K4B, K4S, K3g, K3g SO, K2, K1	Paperwhite Demo at eBay Just checking to see if anyone else is thinking about this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/151087616746 If you are, let me know via PM what it's worth to you. If you are more interested than I am, I won't bid any higher. Thanks for reading, Andy

07-25-2013, 02:39 PM	#9
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Because you wouldn't have a licence to run the standard Kindle firmware on it. Reflashing it with the standard firmware would be copyright infringement. You could certainly install a standard Linux distro on it, but not copyrighted software like Amazon's firmware. Last edited by HarryT; 07-25-2013 at 02:42 PM.

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07-24-2013, 04:18 AM	#2
ixtab (offline) Posts: 2,907 Karma: 6736094 Join Date: Dec 2011 Device: K3, K4, K5, KPW, KPW2	Well, according to this, you can still bet a little more. It's a fully functional Kindle after all.

07-24-2013, 01:31 PM	#3
SampleAndy Addict Posts: 271 Karma: 644344 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Device: KPW, KFire HD, KFire, KTD 3g, KT, K4B, K4S, K3g, K3g SO, K2, K1	Well, that WAS the hope. I was just trying to be polite... or something. Y'all better hope I DON'T win it, or you'll be seeing dumb questions like never before.

07-25-2013, 11:43 AM	#4
SampleAndy Addict Posts: 271 Karma: 644344 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Device: KPW, KFire HD, KFire, KTD 3g, KT, K4B, K4S, K3g, K3g SO, K2, K1	Well, the snipe is in. fingers crossed.

07-25-2013, 11:50 AM	#5
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Why on Earth would anyone pay for a demo device that it would be illegal to reflash? What would they do with it?

07-25-2013, 02:12 PM	#6
SampleAndy Addict Posts: 271 Karma: 644344 Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Pittsburgh, PA, USA Device: KPW, KFire HD, KFire, KTD 3g, KT, K4B, K4S, K3g, K3g SO, K2, K1	HarryT, even before I became a member here, I was reading about people buying bulk lots of damaged or demo Kindles and "repairing" them. Truthfully, I didn't even think about the legality. I figured with the forum policies on DRM and... (blank look) ... ah. special offers that there would be policies against replacing the OS, too.

07-25-2013, 02:33 PM	#7
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	True, I guess you could install a different o/s on it.

07-25-2013, 03:54 PM	#11
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Are you saying that where you live you could build a PC, borrow a friend's Windows installation DVD, and install a copy of Windows on your PC without a software licence? That's exactly the same situation as we're talking about here.

07-25-2013, 04:04 PM	#13
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	But it doesn't - that's my point. A demo Kindle is not licensed to run the standard firmware. The serial number has nothing to do with it. Don't take my word for it, though. Ask Amazon.

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