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I'm not absolutely sure, because I see how Blogger keeps checking begin-end pairing in real time, and I presume WordPress does the same. But that was probably the big handicap that WordPerfect had to deal with: matching things like Begin Italics, and End Italics, etc. Kay H.B. |
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Lord, I would not be running around, in public, saying that MY mind is so vapid, so shallow, that if I had to learn to use newer software that all my creative ability would suddenly evaporate. Quote:
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For example I hate Word, always have. As far as I'm concerned it's clumsy crap – and no amount of peer pressure would ever induce me to use what I despise. |
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(I wrote a big long reply to this and then realized that there was no polite way for me to discuss what I see daily, over the last decade and the >8,000 manuscripts we've received and reviewed, so I'm going to drop it.) (BTW, I too, in the 80's and early 90's, loathed Word. Oh, it was so terrible! it was clumsy crap! It didn't do this and it didn't do that, and it couldn't compare to Wordstar and Wordperfect and all that. It got everything "wrong" and yadda. Oh, silly girl. I struggled along with it for several years, as I had clients that insisted on using it, lecturing them all the while about how this other product or WP was better, etc. And then, one day, I had this massive project--crafting some materials for a half-billion-dollar project I was managing--and I did something SHOCKING!!! I actually took a short tutorial in it. Took me a whopping 3 hours to realize that Word had all these fantastic functions--if you bothered to learn how to use it. Functions that made pretty much EVERYTHING better. Styles, headings, outline mode, the Document Map...man. THAT was eye-opening and what really sucked was the mea culpa. Realizing that I could reorganize a 150K-word file, with thousands of paragraphs and headings with a click? Yowza. Not having to manually redo all that, b/c Word did it easily? Lovely. Yup and all my preconceived notions about it were completely and totally wrong--by refusing to bother to actually learn it, for 3 years, I simply reinforced my incorrect beliefs. I'm sure that this doesn't apply to you, rcentros, but for any other people reading this, that may have done what I did; tried Word and never bothered to learn it--if this is you, Gentle Reader, you may want to try learning it. Makes a world of difference.) Hitch |
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I was introduced to Word for Windows 2.0 by my geek friend when I finished my master thesis and he helped me to do a lay-out before printing (at that time some people here still used typewriters). He showed me all the goodies - hierarchical (object oriented) paragraph styles with features like guarding against orphans and widows, headers that keep with text and insert pagebreak before the header ... all the wonderful and advanced stuff. I was instantly in love. A bit later, at work, I got training in MS Office by my geeky colleagues programmers, IT specialists, network specialists. Later I taught MSOffice at work (also numerous other products, including other text processors and spreadsheets). I became the guy that other experts and geeks (and numerous laypeople) consulted when they had problems with MSOffice (and other products, especially AutoCAD). Then in 2007 a catastrophe struck. Microsoft introduced the bloody Ribbon interface. I hated, HATED that stuff. And I still do with a deep passion. I still have to google up stuff I used to be able to do in older Word versions without hesitation. Mind you, I am still that person that people in the company go to when they have problem with software (not just office software). But I never again achieved the mastery of MSOffice I had before 2007. And I did take time to learn that new crap. I am aware that they tried to optimize the UI so that it is better discover-able by total newbies, but they screwed it up for advanced users IMHO. |
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One of my issues with Word is that, when I worked at a print shop, and we often had to flow a Word document into a Desktop Publishing application (like Ventura Publisher or Page Maker), and there always seemed to be some kind of hidden formatting that was nearly impossible to remove. But this was back around 2005, so I guess a lot has changed since then. Quote:
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At this point I have absolutely no need (or desire) to learn Word. My wife has Microsoft Office Pro (whatever version came out about 2014 or so) but she mostly uses it for Power Point presentations. She still does most of her writing in WordPerfect or (more and more) Google Docs (I don't like Google Docs either, but I sometimes edit her stuff using it and it's convenient for collaboration). At any rate... that's the way I see it. If I was sending something to you and you needed Word format, I would send it in Word format (though it wouldn't be via Word). Last edited by rcentros; 07-28-2020 at 06:05 PM. |
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Why would anyone use WordPerfect in 2020? It seems so obsolete.
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That said, I (personally) never really liked WordPerfect either. I liked WordStar for DOS. I used it the entire time I used DR-DOS/MSDOS/OS/2 and Windows. When I went to Linux (13 years ago) I moved to its work-alike, Jstar (WordStar flavor of the JOE editor), because my fingers are hard-wired for WordStar keystrokes and it's faster for me. |
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Back in the day I liked WordPerfect, especially the "reveal codes" feature. It made it easy to see what was really going on with the internal coding of documents.
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In phone work (my main occupation) Excel spreadsheets were used for "Cut Sheets" and and wiring records. I mostly used Lotus Word Pro for word processing when on company computers (very little word processing required, most communication was via email). |
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To be fair, though, that early grounding in Wordperfect made it easy-peasy for me to swing into HTML, though. :-) Conceptually, I mean. Hitch |
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Because it's much better than Word? Seriously, WordPerfect does not suffer from many of the ongoing problems that plague Word, in particular with regard to formatting of paragraphs. The ability to use Reveal Codes to understand precisely why WordPerfect is showing text in a particular way and to then be able to very narrowly fine-tune the formatting is much better than Word (and don't even get me started on Word's automatic paragraph numbering and the issues that can cause). That being said, I almost never use WordPerfect because everyone that I deal with expects to receive documents from me in Word.
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The file formats are very different; thus, an export or import from either Word or WordPerfect to the other is never clean and almost always requires a fair bit of cleanup, especially if the document is longer and/or complicated. Thus, the advantages to using WordPerfect are negated by the effort to clean the document and get Word to display it properly (or vice versa). By way of one very simple example, WordPerfect uses an alternate font to handle curly quotes (an older, wonkier method, for sure). If the computer has those fonts, Word displays the curly quotes fine. But when you send that file to someone else, if they don't have WordPerfect they won't have those fonts and things get ... ugly.
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