Change of heart at Apple?

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

Even if they paid for it, they still didn't invent it. Apple simply capitalized on somebody else's work. (Which is what Apple has done virtually their entire corporate history.)

Apple invented many bits of the GUI user interface, including (but not limited to) the menu bar and drop-down menus, overlapping windows, and direct manipulation of icons.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

There is a difference between someone saying that they were wrong and saying that their former boss who died only half a year ago was wrong.

if apple release 7 inch ipad, that means it was in design and plans while jobs was alive.

besides...smart businesses not get as big as apple is by making emotional decisions. rational thinking and logic has carryed apple here. pre and post jobs.


MS ok now that gates gone. apple will do ok too.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by frahse

You need the glasses with the Apple Red tint

same people that buy cheap windows laptops buy ipads and iphones. totally mainstream products.

just like kindle fire is mainstream.

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

if apple release 7 inch ipad, that means it was in design and plans while jobs was alive.

That would be true if they release it this year.

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

besides...smart businesses not get as big as apple is by making emotional decisions. rational thinking and logic has carryed apple here. pre and post jobs.

I'm not talking about emotional decisions. Investors were happy with what Jobs did. A business decision that tells people that the new management thinks that Jobs was wrong might be too much trouble for them.

When it comes to mobile devices Apple doesn't cater to the needs of the few, but the needs of the many. If their market research tells them that only a couple of million customers want a 7" iPad, it's not worth it for them to make one. It's not that they can't make a profit on a device this size, it's that for them it looks bad if they make a mobile device that only a couple of million customers want.

[wannabee]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

That would be true if they release it this year.


I'm not talking about emotional decisions. Investors were happy with what Jobs did. A business decision that tells people that the new management thinks that Jobs was wrong might be too much trouble for them.

When it comes to mobile devices Apple doesn't cater to the needs of the few, but the needs of the many. If their market research tells them that only a couple of million customers want a 7" iPad, it's not worth it for them to make one. It's not that they can't make a profit on a device this size, it's that for them it looks bad if they make a mobile device that only a couple of million customers want.

Because they learnt from the past.

[WillAdams]

As a person who carried his Newton MessagePad until replacing it w/ a Sony PRS-505 (and a paper notepad) and who is now using a Sony PRS-600, the problem w/ units that size is that they're not pocketable --- but not large enough to justify carrying a separate bag.

I addressed this by having shirts tailor-made w/ pockets large enough to hold my Newton, and still have some of the older Travelsmith shirts w/ pockets large enough for the Sony units (sans case).

William

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

A business decision that tells people that the new management thinks that Jobs was wrong might be too much trouble for them.

jobs

"I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong."

Cook:

Not continuing to sue.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403740,00.asp

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by ScotiaBurrell

jobs

"I will spend every penny of Apple’s $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong."

Cook:

Not continuing to sue.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2403740,00.asp

Jobs' remark was about Android. I don't see Cook saying that he won't sue companies that use Android anymore. The settlement will be with Samsung alone.

[Talldog]

Originally Posted by Sil_liS

When it comes to mobile devices Apple doesn't cater to the needs of the few, but the needs of the many. If their market research tells them that only a couple of million customers want a 7" iPad, it's not worth it for them to make one.

I have to disagree with that, unless they have completely turned their backs on Steve Jobs' vision.

What made Jobs such an extraordinary innovator was that he wasn't really concerned with what people thought they wanted. He was going to show you what you wanted and explain to you why you wanted it. The iPad is a perfect example. When Apple announced it, many in the tech world dismissed it (Paul Thurrott at Windows IT Pro was a good example). It was just an iPod Touch on steroids. Nobody cared about tablets, they had been around for years and had never taken off. It was Jobs who understood that a simple device that could be a content consumer while also handling everyday functions like email, calendar and such (and actually replace a PC for many people) would make a lot of folks want it. And he did make lots of folks want it.

[ScotiaBurrell]

Originally Posted by Talldog

It was Jobs who understood that a simple device that could be a content consumer while also handling everyday functions like email, calendar and such (and actually replace a PC for many people) would make a lot of folks want it. And he did make lots of folks want it.

This:

I’m not the only one. Within my circle of friends, I know several people who are also using their iPad as their portable computer. I even have a handful friends who have an iPad as their only computer.

It is not a sacrifice to use the iPad as a primary device.

does note this:

There are, of course, many things which you cannot do on an iPad.

Two prime examples for me are my use of QuickBooks and InDesign. And then there are the things which can be done on an iPad or a laptop, but which are done more efficiently on the latter. Another personal example: email. I am much better at processing email with my laptop because of the many AppleScripts and keyboard shortcuts I use in order to file and act on my messages.

Which is why I could not get by with an iPad only.

http://shawnblanc.net/2012/04/ipad-laptop/

[ProfCrash]

I actually think I could go without a computer and just work on a tablet. It has been ages since I needed a Microsoft document of any sort. I am finding it is easy enought o check and write email on the IPad. The internet works fine and I am enjoying playing Ticket To Ride, Settlers of Catan, Tikal, and other games on the IPad.

[WillAdams]

It's not just a matter of what the consumer wants, but rather understanding where the sweet spot of:

- device with a useful function
- technology able to make the device workable enough for people to be willing to buy it
- interface simple enough for people to be willing to use it

The Newton had the first and last, but Jobs understood that battery and processing power were far more important than other considerations, so held off on the iPad (which was the initial design) and did the iPhone instead (which has captured a significant share of the $1 trillion market in personal communicators John Sculley predicted), since they could manage a workable battery life for the smaller device.

[Sil_liS]

Originally Posted by Talldog

I have to disagree with that, unless they have completely turned their backs on Steve Jobs' vision.

What made Jobs such an extraordinary innovator was that he wasn't really concerned with what people thought they wanted. He was going to show you what you wanted and explain to you why you wanted it. The iPad is a perfect example. When Apple announced it, many in the tech world dismissed it (Paul Thurrott at Windows IT Pro was a good example). It was just an iPod Touch on steroids. Nobody cared about tablets, they had been around for years and had never taken off. It was Jobs who understood that a simple device that could be a content consumer while also handling everyday functions like email, calendar and such (and actually replace a PC for many people) would make a lot of folks want it. And he did make lots of folks want it.

I didn't say "what people thought they wanted", I said what they need so I'm not sure if you are disagreeing with what I said or what you think I've said.

The truth is that many people don't need the processing power that a desktop delivers, and the rest is just a matter of the screen size. While there were tablets around before the iPad, the problem was the OS. Windows tablets still haven't taken off.

[monkeyluis]

Originally Posted by elcreative

Hmmm... must have missed the lack of competition, thought that there were other computers, smartphones, tablets etc on sale... my mistake... or has this thread degenerated once more to another anti-Apple diatribe as usual... yup... guess it's not possible to discuss anything Apple without the usual insults etc taking over...

It already started like that. There are many anti apple people on this forum. They are sad that they bought cheap shitty knock offs & inferior products. So they can find nothing better to do than to flame apple. It's a never ending battle.

[monkeyluis]

Originally Posted by frahse

You have got the wrong set of glasses on. You need the glasses with the Apple Red tint, and then it would be a great thing.

Women could carry the $499 7" iPad in their purses. Frenchmen and other fashionistas could carry the 7" iPad in their man-purses. Other men could carry it in their inside jacket pockets.

afv011, you need to move away from the simplistic droid world that worries about "bang for buck" and other overly narrowed economical and ergonomic viewpoints.

We are talking "Apple."

You are an absolutely delusional apple hater. You obviously know nothing about this market or business in general.