Amazon has a new trick. Beware! - Page 3

DiapDealer · 01-03-2014, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bertolt

So to recap: why bother to think of a constructive criticism when a cheap sarcastic quip is all you can manage.

Pick one thing and do it well; I always say. I picked cheap sarcastic quips. You picked misleading thread subjects. It's all good.

tomsem · 01-03-2014, 12:53 PM

I don't know if it is true, but Amazon CS told me that it was the publisher's choice as to which devices to enable (at least with fixed-layout format). Some graphic novels, for example, are not enabled for devices without color displays.

Fixed layout content is designed for particular screen resolutions (it is basically a series of image files). If you start off with something that is designed for a high resolution screen, it may not look good on a lower resolution screen because of rescaling artifacts ('banding' or 'moire-ing'). It seems likely that's the case here.

IMO the current fixed-layout formats are no better than PDF, and in many respects, they are a step backwards. For example, there's no vector support that would eliminate rescaling artifacts and achieve smaller file sizes. They have little or nothing in the way of 'accessibility'. And format fragmentation abounds.

tubemonkey · 01-03-2014, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ravensknight

And whose fault is that? People who give up personal responsibility for ease of whatever have no right to complain, about ANYTHING related to the giving up of that responsibility.

Are you getting all Ben Franklin on us?

soulfuldog · 01-03-2014, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Pick one thing and do it well; I always say. I picked cheap sarcastic quips. You picked misleading thread subjects. It's all good.

Ouch!

BelleZora · 01-03-2014, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Bertolt

For people who have a life (as opposed to a reading life) these marketing tricks do tend to keep them locked in, because they're just too busy to find a way round these marketing ploys.

So if we not are the hapless victims of marketing ploys, we must not have a life (as opposed to a reading life).

Tarana · 01-03-2014, 02:17 PM

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You're going to stop buying books from Amazon because it's too much effort to see what devices a book is supported on before you buy it?

It doesn't usually tell you what devices it works on in advance. The good news is that all you have to do is go into your Kindle Library and request a refund. I usually get them the same day, but no longer than 3 days during the holiday season.

It's the magazines I've had trouble with. Haven't figured out how to download them and archive them yet.

aceflor · 01-03-2014, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bertolt

For people who have a life (as opposed to a reading life) these marketing tricks do tend to keep them locked in, because they're just too busy to find a way round these marketing ploys.

as in "have a life in Puerto Bañus" ?

HarryT · 01-03-2014, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarana

It doesn't usually tell you what devices it works on in advance.

if it doesn't, that means it works on all devices.

Rizla · 01-03-2014, 02:56 PM

Can't you buy it then convert it (if actually necessary), or does Amazon not allow you to buy it from a non-PW? Otherwise you'll have to buy an epub and convert that to format your Kindle can handle.

HarryT · 01-03-2014, 03:12 PM

You can buy from the web site. Doesn't matter what devices you do or don't have.

Rizla · 01-03-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bertolt

I have been receiving the Kindle Daily deal for some time and have bought a large number of books that way. Today I want to buy The Medicinal Chef by Dale Pinnock and I find that they will not deliver this to my Kindle 4. They will only deliver to a Kindle Paperwhite or an app on an Android device. They will not even deliver it to my Kindle app on my PC.

Then I don't understand. He says he can't get it delivered to his K4 or his PC. Is it because he is attempting to purchase it as part of the daily deal?

Lemurion · 01-03-2014, 06:36 PM

I think Amazon's moving away from K4PC, replacing it with Cloud Reader, so it may not have been updated to handle newer image-heavy formats. As for the K4, that's probably just because of resolution.

Little.Egret · 01-03-2014, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

I doubt they're up to much of anything. They've always had certain editions of ebooks that were limited to certain devices/apps. Or possibly it's a glitch?

I can't even buy an ebook version of The Medicinal Chef by Dale Pinnock from Amazon in my market.

Bit strange that you can't buy it for use with Kindle Cloud Reader or Kindle for PC, but it's a 40 MB download so probably lots and lots of colour images that won't do well on a eink screen.

Little.Egret · 01-03-2014, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

You can buy from the web site. Doesn't matter what devices you do or don't have.

Have you tried ?

You can return for refund if you succeed.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Medicina...dp/B00DAJ7JD4/

I see my Kindle Fire under "Deliver to" and my Kindle Keyboard is greyed. I infer that if I only had a KK I couldn't click to buy.

DiapDealer · 01-03-2014, 07:44 PM

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Bit strange that you can't buy it for use with Kindle Cloud Reader or Kindle for PC, but it's a 40 MB download so probably lots and lots of colour images that won't do well on a eink screen.

I've run into several that weren't available for the Cloud Reader and K4PC. A lot of the fixed format comics with panel view weren't available for those readers when they started hitting the scene. They were Fire only.

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01-03-2014, 12:53 PM	#32
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,939 Karma: 27060151 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	I don't know if it is true, but Amazon CS told me that it was the publisher's choice as to which devices to enable (at least with fixed-layout format). Some graphic novels, for example, are not enabled for devices without color displays. Fixed layout content is designed for particular screen resolutions (it is basically a series of image files). If you start off with something that is designed for a high resolution screen, it may not look good on a lower resolution screen because of rescaling artifacts ('banding' or 'moire-ing'). It seems likely that's the case here. IMO the current fixed-layout formats are no better than PDF, and in many respects, they are a step backwards. For example, there's no vector support that would eliminate rescaling artifacts and achieve smaller file sizes. They have little or nothing in the way of 'accessibility'. And format fragmentation abounds.

01-03-2014, 02:56 PM	#39
Rizla Member Retired Posts: 3,183 Karma: 11721895 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Nook STR (rooted) & Sony T2	Can't you buy it then convert it (if actually necessary), or does Amazon not allow you to buy it from a non-PW? Otherwise you'll have to buy an epub and convert that to format your Kindle can handle.

01-03-2014, 03:12 PM	#40
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,544 Karma: 93383099 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	You can buy from the web site. Doesn't matter what devices you do or don't have.

01-03-2014, 06:36 PM	#42
Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	I think Amazon's moving away from K4PC, replacing it with Cloud Reader, so it may not have been updated to handle newer image-heavy formats. As for the K4, that's probably just because of resolution.

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