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Old 05-16-2014, 05:01 AM   #16
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@knc1: Thanks for the link. I am able to understand what you're doing most of the time but just reading it doesn't help me *really* understand everything. I guess I'd need some practice to feel somewhat confident in that field. Not played around with network configurations much yet.

However this link didn't really answer my question(s) (at least for me).
I'm getting kind of confused.

So when I'm following the steps 1) to 6) from my previous post at which point excactly should I have to do all this console stuff? Should I not only do "ifconfig usb0 192.168.15.201 && ssh root@192.168.15.244" (according to https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Kind...USB_Networking )
to test the connection?

As I understand it: If I brick my device, USBNetworking is still possible and gives me extensive access to my device and I'll likely be able to recover it. Is that right?


@NiLuJe:
So you're saying it is not as dangerous to brick my PW2 anymore? When I do, there is still a backup even if I didn't make one by myself? So I'll just need to make sure that USBNetworking is working and then I'll be fine (most likely)?



Sorry guys I may be a slow lerner sometimes and when I do something like this I want to be sure of it. As I usally go by "try and error" to figure out things when programming, I'd not like "try and brick and buy a new kindle" here
That's why I'd like to read something like "Your steps 1) to 6) seem fine, that's the way to do it" or "Don't do it that way: (reason)"

PS: I'm not about to go playing around with the system inside, just install some of the hacks like MKK, KUAL, etc.
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Old 05-16-2014, 09:38 AM   #17
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@knc1: Thanks for the link. I am able to understand what you're doing most of the time but just reading it doesn't help me *really* understand everything. I guess I'd need some practice to feel somewhat confident in that field. Not played around with network configurations much yet.
That is not just a single (tl;dr) thread, but a series of tl;dr threads.
Even so, it is not practical to cover all the basics of networking.

Sorry, I did what I could.
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However this link didn't really answer my question(s) (at least for me).
I'm getting kind of confused.
Ah, another "my bad" on my part - -
Those are all **Linux** command line, commands.

Filter this forum's index page by tutorial prefix and you will find a (shorter) write-up for Mac OSx.

Directions / Descriptions for Windows users are somewhat scattered about the forum.
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So when I'm following the steps 1) to 6) from my previous post at which point excactly should I have to do all this console stuff? Should I not only do "ifconfig usb0 192.168.15.201 && ssh root@192.168.15.244" (according to https://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Kind...USB_Networking )
to test the connection?
That is the basic command pair to setup and start the connection on the host pc end of things.
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As I understand it: If I brick my device, USBNetworking is still possible and gives me extensive access to my device and I'll likely be able to recover it. Is that right?
**MAYBE**
"brick" does not have an exact meaning.
In some situations it will give you the needed access to fix things.

There are situations that will prevent you from installing one of our packages, but yet can still be recovered from over the network connection.

Which is why I posted: "Install it now, even if you don't use it, you may need it later".

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@NiLuJe:
So you're saying it is not as dangerous to brick my PW2 anymore? When I do, there is still a backup even if I didn't make one by myself? So I'll just need to make sure that USBNetworking is working and then I'll be fine (most likely)?
Ah, no.
Only that in the case of the PW1/PW2 Amazon ships complete system images (less that device and user specific stuff).
Which reduces the need for a "made it myself" backup of that portion of the device.
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Sorry guys I may be a slow lerner sometimes and when I do something like this I want to be sure of it. As I usally go by "try and error" to figure out things when programming, I'd not like "try and brick and buy a new kindle" here
A good approach.
and good questions also.

Specially so in the case of the PW1/PW2 -
Because the KUBRICK live cd can not **automatically** un-brick those models.

**automatically** :
Because the PW1/PW2 requires manual intervention over the serial port to get the device into a "restore me" mode.
("restore me" :: term invented here for the purpose of this post.)

The KUBRICK live cd does have the complete set of programs (not image files) required to un-brick a PW1/PW2 device - - when used manually from its command line.
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That's why I'd like to read something like "Your steps 1) to 6) seem fine, that's the way to do it" or "Don't do it that way: (reason)"
Everything in your list seems reasonable upto the USBnetworking part.
Just proceed with your list and if you have problems with starting the networking - post about your problems with that part.
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PS: I'm not about to go playing around with the system inside, just install some of the hacks like MKK, KUAL, etc.
Installing our packages **as released** here is as safe as we can make them.
The worse thing that might happen is a specific "hack" (I hate that term, its just another 4 letter word) might not function as intended due to Amazon firmware changes.

After you have installed our stuff - -
Probably the next interesting thing you might want to do is write a KUAL button or Kindle Menu entry to do something you want that we haven't thought of (yet).

Now that sort of thing is where having working USBnetworking comes in very handy -
Because often "trial and error" is required and even a typo can make the device behave in an un-expected manner.

Logging into the device over the remote terminal at that point is the easy way to back-out or correct whatever went wrong.
The un- step in development.

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Why do I write such long replies?

I am writing for all of the future readers of this thread.
Many of which will never register here, but just use this forum as a "read only" resource of information.

That is why my: "good questions" deserve "good answers" policy.

- - - -

Kindle hacking by trial and error:

Buy a used K4 (cheap) or even a used (K5-Touch) - -
The KUBRICK Live CD can turn a barely warm lump of K4 electronics back into a working Kindle in minutes (usually).

A much better choice for the trial and error learning process.
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