New basic Kindle - Page 12

HarryT · 10-09-2014, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jbcohen

I'm considering one, odd that the basic is an upgrade over the paper white.

Not odd at all. The PW's light diffuser inevitably has some impact. It all depends whether you do most of your reading in good light (in which case you'd be better off with the Basic) or poor light (where the PW's frontlight will make it a clear winner).

eSheri · 10-09-2014, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by haydnfan

Not fuzzy, pixelated. It uses a thinner, sharper font rendering than the Kindle 3 or 4. But it doesn't have the resolution to support it so if you look too hard at lower font sizes you can see that the letters looks slightly blocky. That is what you're talking about right?

After looking again, yes, pixilated would be a more accurate description. When I change to a much larger font, the pixilation disappeared. But I don't care for the huge fonts. Amazon wants to trouble shoot with the cable. My kindle keyboard looks much better. I'd rather have a PW

haydnfan · 10-10-2014, 07:14 AM

Well Amazon lab wanted my first basic, and I had to ship it to over there for them to test instead of do a simple return! Looks like they're investigating.

eSheri · 10-10-2014, 08:53 AM

So this pixilation, is this normal? Or should I exchange it?

HarryT · 10-10-2014, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by eSheri

So this pixilation, is this normal? Or should I exchange it?

Yes, it's normal. It's the font.

eSheri · 10-10-2014, 09:31 AM

The degree of clarity/pixilation seems to vary from book to book.
I've also noticed that some books don't give you an option to change fonts.

DuckieTigger · 10-10-2014, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by eSheri

So this pixilation, is this normal? Or should I exchange it?

It won't get any better - limitation of the resolution. You will either get used to it after a while, or you will need higher resolution. Depending what you used just before looking at the screen will make it more or less obvious. Spend a while reading on a high res screen, and the low res one will look even worse. Even the PW while looking better concerning smoothness of edges still looks very pixilated when comparing it side by side to higher res screens (300+ ppi). On the PW the smallest size fonts don't look ideal - sharting from about 3rd smallest it looks okay. From previews the Voyage is said to be nice and sharp looking even at smallest font size. Those 300ppi appear to corrolate across all screentypes (eink, lcd, oled) to be the good resolution to be called high - as in perfectly capable to display sharp tiny text.

That is not to say that there is no more improvement past 300 ppi - there is, but a lot less subtle. On eink there might not even be any improvement - the current eink is only rated to support up to 300ppi.

jbcohen · 10-10-2014, 11:12 AM

I currently have a Paper White model one and I might be interested if the kindle gives me an upgrade over what I have now. What matters to me is the size and weight of the reader, I do not feel that the screen resolution maked that much difference to me since this is purely text that is being displayed and does not need super high resolution. I do ocasionally read in the dark, however that is rare. It's rare enough that I would conder the basic kindle if it offers some advances in size and weight over the paper white model one. As stated in other threads my paper white model one is doing ok, however it is having some issues here and there, enough so that I would consider an upgrade.

Now for a statement of my own personality, I really hate to be with out a few books to occupy my time when I commute to and from the office or going other places. The last time I had a kindle break down on me that was my older Kindle three where the on/off switch stopped working and I could no longer turn it on. It took me two weeks when I could not access my kindle library and I really hated that, I think that it would pay for me to have a secondary kindle in case the first one, the paper white, breaks down so I can keep reading while I replace the paper white. I would like one of the two to be a paper white since I do read in dark rooms on ocasion, I do not think that the voyage gives me enough value to compensate me for the extra dollars that would be needed for it. The basic could cover 75% of my reading environments so its a consideration for me.

HarryT · 10-10-2014, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by jbcohen

I think that it would pay for me to have a secondary kindle in case the first one, the paper white, breaks down so I can keep reading while I replace the paper white.

I really don't see the point. You can buy popular reading devices at any supermarket these days, so having an extra one "just in case" your first one breaks seems rather unnecessary.

jbcohen · 10-10-2014, 11:21 AM

Considering your point Harry. I could go into my Kindle Library, download what I am currently working on and translate it to epub for a non-kindle.

Apprentice Alf can help with DRM if that becomes a problem.

B.F. · 10-10-2014, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shakeitsalome

Just thought I'd share a few thoughts and a pic of the screen on my new KT2/K7/KBT (what are we calling it??).

I love the touch screen. I was worried that it would be awkward for me - when I read in bed I lie on my side and could handle the K4NT with one hand. So far I've had no problems. The touch screen is very responsive, but I have yet to accidentally change pages or anything.

Coming from the K4NT to this has been amazing in two short days. I adore not having to scroll down to a word to check the definition. Goodreads integration is wonderful. Everything seems faster and page turns are smoother. I haven't noticed ghosting yet, and have the page refresh off. The slightly larger size hasn't been a problem. The larger edge around the screen has been nice, for it gives a good resting spot for my thumb while reading, ditto for the larger area at the bottom. Also, the lack of buttons at the bottom is great, as my clumsy fingers would frequently bring up the menu or go home on my old one.

One thing I'm not crazy about is the back. It's a bit slippier than the matte, rubbery backing of the K4NT, so I've had to be a bit more careful. I keep my Kindles naked usually, but if this becomes a problem I may end up getting a cover.

I don't have a comparison with my K4NT (the buttons died and it's stuck on the home screen, hence my getting the new one. I'm not ashamed to admit that I cried.). Also, Amazon customer service was wonderful and offered me a discounted upgrade to a PW. They said the offer would stand for a while and I may take advantage closer to Christmas - My mother (bless her!) purchased this one for me before I could discuss purchasing the PW with my husband. Anyway, here's a photo of my new baby, taken just a few moments ago in ambient light with my phone.

You can clearly see in the histogram/levels/curves that the levels for contrast has been altered to enhance it. Shame on you for posting altered image.

Click pic for full size

Glorfindel · 10-10-2014, 06:44 PM

No you can't.

DuckieTigger · 10-10-2014, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by B.F.

You can clearly see in the histogram/levels/curves that the levels for contrast has been altered to enhance it. Shame on you for posting altered image.

Click pic for full size

What exactly are you talking about? Iphone 5 got a excellent camera there is not much you would need to touch up afterwards - even in auto pictures look great. If he wanted to fake better contrast he could have just run the picture through auto settings in app on phone - as I did with his picture and Perfectly Clear on my phone. See attachment.

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Originally Posted by Glorfindel

No you can't.

B.F. · 10-10-2014, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

What exactly are you talking about?

That the picture has been altered to enhance/boost contrast (to make the Kindle screen look better), you can see it in the histogram/levels/curves if you know how to "read" it (see the attached picture in my first post).

Trust me on this one.

Edit: Realistic contrast in the pic blow.

DuckieTigger · 10-11-2014, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by B.F.

That the picture has been altered to enhance/boost contrast (to make the Kindle screen look better), you can see it in the histogram/levels/curves if you know how to "read" it (see the attached picture in my first post).

Trust me on this one.

Edit: Realistic contrast in the pic blow.

Trust you on what? That there is clear evidence of doctoring because your "realistic contrast" is very slightly lower? Are you worried about the color because your "realistic contrast" uses an almost perfect white light source / white balance? Worried about the uneven lighting compared to your "realistic contrast" studio lighting?

Humor me and put up both histograms side by side for the "fake" and your "realistic" picture.

10-10-2014, 11:21 AM	#175
jbcohen Wizard Posts: 3,032 Karma: 11196738 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Where am I? Device: Kindle Paperwhite Signature edition and a Samsung S24 Ultra	Considering your point Harry. I could go into my Kindle Library, download what I am currently working on and translate it to epub for a non-kindle. Apprentice Alf can help with DRM if that becomes a problem. Last edited by jbcohen; 10-10-2014 at 11:31 AM.

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eSheri Addict Posts: 323 Karma: 1015098 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Middle of the US Device: K3+3G, Sony 350, Kindle Fire HD, iPad Mini	So this pixilation, is this normal? Or should I exchange it?

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eSheri Addict Posts: 323 Karma: 1015098 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Middle of the US Device: K3+3G, Sony 350, Kindle Fire HD, iPad Mini	The degree of clarity/pixilation seems to vary from book to book. I've also noticed that some books don't give you an option to change fonts.

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jbcohen Wizard Posts: 3,032 Karma: 11196738 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Where am I? Device: Kindle Paperwhite Signature edition and a Samsung S24 Ultra	I currently have a Paper White model one and I might be interested if the kindle gives me an upgrade over what I have now. What matters to me is the size and weight of the reader, I do not feel that the screen resolution maked that much difference to me since this is purely text that is being displayed and does not need super high resolution. I do ocasionally read in the dark, however that is rare. It's rare enough that I would conder the basic kindle if it offers some advances in size and weight over the paper white model one. As stated in other threads my paper white model one is doing ok, however it is having some issues here and there, enough so that I would consider an upgrade. Now for a statement of my own personality, I really hate to be with out a few books to occupy my time when I commute to and from the office or going other places. The last time I had a kindle break down on me that was my older Kindle three where the on/off switch stopped working and I could no longer turn it on. It took me two weeks when I could not access my kindle library and I really hated that, I think that it would pay for me to have a secondary kindle in case the first one, the paper white, breaks down so I can keep reading while I replace the paper white. I would like one of the two to be a paper white since I do read in dark rooms on ocasion, I do not think that the voyage gives me enough value to compensate me for the extra dollars that would be needed for it. The basic could cover 75% of my reading environments so its a consideration for me.

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