Apple's War on Android - Page 12

Bilbo1967 · 04-05-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeyluis

Considering I carry a messenger bag & I suspect most people do, it's a non-issue:

I don't even know what a messenger bag is

monkeyluis · 04-05-2012, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by RainingLemur

For this particular instance (SD cards), it IS an issue to me and (I assume) others. I want to have that function straight out of the box and not have to drop more money on an attachment to achieve it.

Hey & that's perfectly fine. I'm addressing the comments that say it can't be done. If you look up a post or two you'll see I'd want it built in too. The fact that it's not does not negate the fact that it can be done. Soooooooo.... There ya go.

monkeyluis · 04-05-2012, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

I don't even know what a messenger bag is

Purse, backpack, whatever. I use a messenger bag. I don't go out of the house with my iPad under my arm. I want it protected in a bag or case.

monkeyluis · 04-05-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

I don't carry bags around, except on vacation. For the most part, if it doesn't have a card slot or won't fit in my shirt pocket, it stays at home.

Galaxy Player gets to travel about
iPod touch has to stay at home

Cool. I can't carry my gadgets like that. I like to have a messenger bag or backpack.

Bilbo1967 · 04-05-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeyluis

Purse, backpack, whatever. I use a messenger bag. I don't go out of the house with my iPad under my arm. I want it protected in a bag or case.

OK - thanks. Nothing special then, just a bag.

hrosvit · 04-05-2012, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeyluis

Considering your new go abut & read comments in other threads. Come back in a week & let me know if I'm off base. I'm not, but go for it. Enjoy.

In addition to being obtuse, you apparently have problems reading, also. You'll notice I've been a member here since three months before you joined.

HansTWN · 04-05-2012, 10:23 AM

Since some people have claimed that SD cards are about to become obsolete, let me fill you in on the latest development I just read about.

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...ml#tk.rss_news

Sounds to me as if manufacturers feel that they are more important than ever and willing to invest big money to further improve the technology.

monkeyluis · 04-05-2012, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by hrosvit

In addition to being obtuse, you apparently have problems reading, also. You'll notice I've been a member here since three months before you joined.

I read as well as you read other posts about sweeping generalizations. Go read some of those posts & tell me I'm the only one doing it. Go on, go ahead. It's ok.

hrosvit · 04-05-2012, 10:31 AM

My comments were that when you generalize about everyone who disagrees with you, your points rarely seem valid. Comments like, "you people are disgusting", and opining that everyone who has a differing point of view has never owned an Apple device, and is, therefore, ignorant of their life-changing qualities, don't make your arguments more valid. I currently own, and use on a regular basis, four Apple devices. And there are things about them that I don't like. But, apparently, my ignorant, disgusting opinion is invalid.

And your defense is that I am new here?

WT Sharpe · 04-05-2012, 10:34 AM

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monkeyluis · 04-05-2012, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by hrosvit

My comments were that when you generalize about everyone who disagrees with you, your points rarely seem valid. Comments like, "you people are disgusting", and opining that everyone who has a differing point of view has never owned an Apple device, and is, therefore, ignorant of their life-changing qualities, don't make your arguments more valid. I currently own, and use on a regular basis, four Apple devices. And there are things about them that I don't like. But, apparently, my ignorant, disgusting opinion is invalid.

And your defense is that I am new here?

Nobody disagreed with me. I commented on posts of generalizations. They say the same thing over & over & over again. It is disgusting & intellectually dishonest. I never said they couldn't have a differing opinion, but when they try to state those opinions as facts then it's disgusting. My arguments are valid because they are based on facts. I said you could use an SD card, that's a fact, therefore valid, therefore not a closed garden as others in this very thread stated. I corrected the misconception because others like to spout off ignorant statements about a device they don't own or use. You get the right to have an opinion because you own 4 devices, they don't have that right. Just as I don't have the right to make comments about any other device I have not used or owned.

Is that really so hard to understand? Really??

RainingLemur · 04-05-2012, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by monkeyluis

Hey & that's perfectly fine. I'm addressing the comments that say it can't be done. If you look up a post or two you'll see I'd want it built in too. The fact that it's not does not negate the fact that it can be done. Soooooooo.... There ya go.

I'm more addressing what you generalized as a non-issue. No SD reader out of the box is an issue to some.

You're right that it doesn't mean it can't be done. But, it can't be done without purchasing more add-ons which would clutter up what some would agree to be a sleek looking device.

Greg Anos · 04-05-2012, 11:24 AM

What we're deaing with is two different paradigms. They lead to 2 different needs. One is not better than the other, just different.

Paradigm #1 - The PC (in the general sense, pick your OS). Designed to be autonomus, with real time communications as an option, not a neccessity. This paradigm depends on local storage, and local processing. Designed to be completely environment independent, except for electricity.

Paradigm #2 - The cell phone. Designed to be completely dependent upon the communication network, totally worthless without it. Processing is an act of communications. No local storage needed.

These two paradigm are trying to converge, but they have reached the hard nub of unreconcilable differences. Depending on which paradigm you come from, you get a different answer. And each paradigm viewpoint thinks it's viewpoint is the best way...

PC paradigm considers local storage to be paramount, hence the demand for built-in SD readers. The cell phone paradigm considers them to be basically useless, data access should be by streaming. Hence the unconcern for local storage. Of course the cell phone paradigm has conceded that some local storage is handy, but it should be internal to the machine for convenience. The PC paradigm also can use streaming, but considers it a secondary source of data.

See how the paradigms determine design, even when you could seamlessly meld the two? It even extends to software, the downloadable app, requiring an e-mail address to use, even when it's free, for the cell phone paradigm. The PC paradigm is load from any external source and use. No communications required. (Yes, I know, anti-piracy activations blur the paradigm, but they are just one-time communications, and not necessary for all software.)

MrsJoseph · 04-05-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

I don't even know what a messenger bag is

Quote:

Originally Posted by monkeyluis

Purse, backpack, whatever. I use a messenger bag. I don't go out of the house with my iPad under my arm. I want it protected in a bag or case.

hrosvit · 04-05-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralph Sir Edward

PC paradigm considers local storage to be paramount, hence the demand for built-in SD readers. The cell phone paradigm considers them to be basically useless, data access should be by streaming. Hence the unconcern for local storage. Of course the cell phone paradigm has conceded that some local storage is handy, but it should be internal to the machine for convenience. The PC paradigm also can use streaming, but considers it a secondary source of data.

I am firmly in the PC camp, for now, but not because I believe it is the best way. I would be more than happy to take my mobile device and travel the world, and access my movies and books and songs from the cloud. But there are still two things which hold me back. The first is the lack of wifi availability in some (lots of) places. This is partially solved by 3G/4G capabilities, but that, unfortunately, leads to the second, and greater problem: data limitations. As long as the wireless providers are capping monthly data usage and throttling heavy users, my cloud oriented device becomes an Angry Birds-playing paperweight. My content is absolutely useless to me if I can't access it. Therefore, I want my 32GB SD (or microSD) cards to load up with content so I know I will have access to it.

Additionally, the quality of the 3G/4G coverage is a concern. I travel around the US to teach, and carry a 4G modem with me. I rarely see 4G performance from it, and the speeds are never dazzling.

I dream of nationwide 4G coverage with no data limits. Now I'm going to go sit in the corner and hold my breath, waiting.

04-05-2012, 10:23 AM	#172
HansTWN Wizard Posts: 4,538 Karma: 264065402 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Taiwan Device: HP Touchpad, Sony Duo 13, Lumia 920, Kobo Aura HD	Since some people have claimed that SD cards are about to become obsolete, let me fill you in on the latest development I just read about. http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente...ml#tk.rss_news Sounds to me as if manufacturers feel that they are more important than ever and willing to invest big money to further improve the technology. Last edited by HansTWN; 04-05-2012 at 10:26 AM.

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hrosvit Moron Posts: 333 Karma: 3113890 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Southwest PA Device: iPad 3, Galaxy Note 2, Nook ST	My comments were that when you generalize about everyone who disagrees with you, your points rarely seem valid. Comments like, "you people are disgusting", and opining that everyone who has a differing point of view has never owned an Apple device, and is, therefore, ignorant of their life-changing qualities, don't make your arguments more valid. I currently own, and use on a regular basis, four Apple devices. And there are things about them that I don't like. But, apparently, my ignorant, disgusting opinion is invalid. And your defense is that I am new here?

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WT Sharpe Bah, humbug! Posts: 39,072 Karma: 157049943 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Chesapeake, VA, USA Device: Kindle Oasis, iPad Pro, & a Samsung Galaxy S9.	Moderator Notice Please feel free to disagree with a person's opinions, or dispute their facts or data, providing you do so politely. Likewise, please address your criticisms to those opinions, facts and data rather than the person. Refer to the MobileRead Guidelines, specifically the full text of the very first item. When posting, your attention to the Guidelines is required. Name calling and insults ("obtuse") are not allowed.

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Greg Anos Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,500 Karma: 37057604 Join Date: Jan 2008 Device: Pocketbook	What we're deaing with is two different paradigms. They lead to 2 different needs. One is not better than the other, just different. Paradigm #1 - The PC (in the general sense, pick your OS). Designed to be autonomus, with real time communications as an option, not a neccessity. This paradigm depends on local storage, and local processing. Designed to be completely environment independent, except for electricity. Paradigm #2 - The cell phone. Designed to be completely dependent upon the communication network, totally worthless without it. Processing is an act of communications. No local storage needed. These two paradigm are trying to converge, but they have reached the hard nub of unreconcilable differences. Depending on which paradigm you come from, you get a different answer. And each paradigm viewpoint thinks it's viewpoint is the best way... PC paradigm considers local storage to be paramount, hence the demand for built-in SD readers. The cell phone paradigm considers them to be basically useless, data access should be by streaming. Hence the unconcern for local storage. Of course the cell phone paradigm has conceded that some local storage is handy, but it should be internal to the machine for convenience. The PC paradigm also can use streaming, but considers it a secondary source of data. See how the paradigms determine design, even when you could seamlessly meld the two? It even extends to software, the downloadable app, requiring an e-mail address to use, even when it's free, for the cell phone paradigm. The PC paradigm is load from any external source and use. No communications required. (Yes, I know, anti-piracy activations blur the paradigm, but they are just one-time communications, and not necessary for all software.)

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