What do you think of the name "liseuse?"

[Dr. Drib]

I like my term better. I call it "ebookieuse," which is very catchy. It combines the "use" of "ebook" with the "I" of the intended. It's also French-sounding.

Or:
I created it because I think "ebookieuse" is an hilarious message for those who advocate - to the exclusive use of anything else - one word, one term, one thought.

Or:
It's my homage to "Hawaii-Five-O" -- "[You] book 'em, Dano." Wo Fat to the rescue.

Or:
I'm laughing at the intensity of seriousness here.

Take your choice...or add and subtract.

HAVE FUN, fellow ebookieusers!


Don

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Idoine

I'll just quote my previous post :





And for this :


... I am one of the 4 ! I like the word, in FRENCH. Now I'm perfectly aware that it can not be an English one, as the majority of English speakers are not able to pronounce it correctly.
I think myself as a realistic one (hope so, at least ! ).

Ah. Thanks for the explanation.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

as i and others have explained previously, "liseuse" is a real french word. it has several meanings, .....and... a device for reading ebooks.

..... the french vocabulary is still evolving. .....however "liseuse" is used to mean a reading device on various french blogs talking about them. i have given links before. that is in fact where i first learned the word.
......
in english, ebooks are relatively more well-known, however i think the vocabulary is *still* being defined, as we can see even here, where some people say "e-reader" or "ereader", some say "ebook reader", and some say "liseuse".
......

this backlash against the use of a perfectly acceptable word seems needlessly hostile to me .....

Thanks for that Z. It gives me a bit better background context. What you say about evolving language is true in any language when we are discussing technology.

Also what you say about differentiating between the ebook and the ebook reader is clearly an issue -- one that is not true of pbooks (another invented or adapted word I might add).

Now I have nothing against any other language or culture, but using a foreign word in an English context when perfectly adequate English words exist is pretentious to me.

I believe in clear communication particularly when speaking of technology, science, emerging technologies, press releases, news. I have no problem if this is the chosen word and is used in the French sub-forums but I don't care for it's use in the English forums when as I said there are perfectly adequate and established words.

One thing that strikes me is that there seem to be strong emotions on both sides of this issue -- well beyond the word itself. It's almost as if it's a major cultural clash, the French (and French sympathizers) forcing the word into the English Language and the English (and English sympathizers) fighting back. I guess this is evolution of language in the internet age.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

I like my term better. I call it "ebookieuse," which is very catchy. It combines the "use" of "ebook" with the "I" of the intended. It's also French-sounding.

Or:
I created it because I think "ebookieuse" is an hilarious message for those who advocate - to the exclusive use of anything else - one word, one term, one thought.

Or:
It's my homage to "Hawaii-Five-O" -- "[You] book 'em, Dano." Wo Fat to the rescue.

Or:
I'm laughing at the intensity of seriousness here.

Take your choice...or add and subtract.

HAVE FUN, fellow ebookieusers!


Don

I'm going to go ebookieuseee right now!

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Thanks for that Z. It gives me a bit better background context. What you say about evolving language is true in any language when we are discussing technology.

i am very glad to know you read my quite long post, and found it helpful. if you're interested, the original discussion where it came up is here : "E-reader devices", naming.

Also what you say about differentiating between the ebook and the ebook reader is clearly an issue -- one that is not true of pbooks (another invented or adapted word I might add).

yes, it can lead to some confusion. that's why the original discussion took place.

Now I have nothing against any other language or culture, but using a foreign word in an English context when perfectly adequate English words exist is pretentious to me.

well, to some extent i agree with you ; we have french people who like to use completely unnecessary english words because they somehow think it's "cool". on the other hand, we also have many words imported from english which have become fully integrated into french, like "week-end" for example (we could say "fin de semaine" which is the litteral translation, but instead we use that for "the end of the week", i.e. friday). english also has many words with french origins. including "pretentious", as it happens.

I believe in clear communication particularly when speaking of technology, science, emerging technologies, press releases, news. I have no problem if this is the chosen word and is used in the French sub-forums but I don't care for it's use in the English forums when as I said there are perfectly adequate and established words.

no-one is asking you to use it, if you don't like it. i see nothing wrong with that. however, since it is easily understood from context, or at worst can be explained very easily, it seems a bit unnecessary to refuse its use by others, particularly when, as we've seen, there is not one single universally agreed-upon word so far even in english.

One thing that strikes me is that there seem to be strong emotions on both sides of this issue -- well beyond the word itself. It's almost as if it's a major cultural clash, the French (and French sympathizers) forcing the word into the English Language and the English (and English sympathizers) fighting back. I guess this is evolution of language in the internet age.

hm, it seems to me that most if not all of the strong emotions are coming from the people opposing the use of "liseuse" in english. no-one is "forcing" the word into english, i repeat, and i am frankly chagrined to see some of the hostility that people who use the word are encountering, which has no place in an international forum like this one.

but i think you make an excellent point about "the evolution of language in the internet age", as this sort of international conversation is only possible thanks to internet, and recent. i think that too is an amazing and fascinating phenomenon and i'm very happy to be able to discuss with people from all over the world that otherwise i would never have met, and learn about their cultures, and their languages.

i learn many words here, of all sorts, many of them english, from australia, or the US, or Great Britain, which i hadn't heard before. and like kazbates (and probably even lots of other native anglophones, as well) there are also some "internet" terms which i didn't understand when i first encountered them ("ftw", "eta"...), and i learned what they meant. the same can be said of words like "drm", by the way. but i see nothing wrong with learning new words, in fact i love that and i'm glad to have the opportunity here.

[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by kennyc

One thing that strikes me is that there seem to be strong emotions on both sides of this issue -- well beyond the word itself. It's almost as if it's a major cultural clash, the French (and French sympathizers) forcing the word into the English Language and the English (and English sympathizers) fighting back. I guess this is evolution of language in the internet age.

No. I for one am not _forcing_ anyone to use this word (or any other word), and a couple people who don't like it are insisting that _no_one_ use it.


Just to complicate matters further, this thread reminded me of a miscommunication once where the word ebook was used to refer to the file and the device. Given that ebook is short for electronic book this does make some sense.

So we now have ebook, e-book, ereader, e-reader, ebook reader, and e-book reader. How is liseuse any less valid than the other 6 choices?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

If the agreed upon term is ebook reader, then why are e-reader and ereader still in use?

It's someone's idea to shorten the term eBook reader into ereader. But as eReader is already defined. Using it to mean eBook reader is incorrect. I don't know if eReader (with the proper meaning) is in copyright or trademark. But we have had some people at MR see ereader being used incorrectly and when trying to figure out what format to get for their reader, have bought eReader format at Fictionwise because it's "recommended".

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

as i and others have explained previously, "liseuse" is a real french word. it has several meanings, all of which center on reading : it can mean a lamp used for reading, a jacket or shawl worn by a woman for reading in bed (as grimaud said), a knife used for cutting the pages of books and marking your place (this meaning is obviously rather out-dated), and... a device for reading ebooks.

Can you give us examples of this word being used to mean eBook reader before it was ever used at MR to try to mean eBook reader?

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

No. I for one am not _forcing_ anyone to use this word (or any other word), and a couple people who don't like it are insisting that _no_one_ use it.


Just to complicate matters further, this thread reminded me of a miscommunication once where the word ebook was used to refer to the file and the device. Given that ebook is short for electronic book this does make some sense.

So we now have ebook, e-book, ereader, e-reader, ebook reader, and e-book reader. How is liseuse any less valid than the other 6 choices?

i personally use "ebook" to refer to the actual book (file) i read on my liseuse. i use "ebook" in french as well, by the way.

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Can you give us examples of this word being used to mean eBook reader before it was ever used at MR to try to mean eBook reader?

yes i can, and i have previously. just look at all the links i gave in nate's wikipedia thread. i didn't just make this word up, you know. i learned it there myself.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

It's my homage to "Hawaii-Five-O" -- "[You] book 'em, Dano." Wo Fat to the rescue.

Would (in this modern age) we now be saying eBook 'em Dano?

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Would (in this modern age) we now be saying eBook 'em Dano?

[zelda_pinwheel]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

yes i can, and i have previously. just look at all the links i gave in nate's wikipedia thread. i didn't just make this word up, you know. i learned it there myself.

for those of you who missed it, that thread is here : https://www.mobileread.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55992

i should warn the francophobes amongst you, all the links are in french.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Nate the great

No. I for one am not _forcing_ anyone to use this word (or any other word), and a couple people who don't like it are insisting that _no_one_ use it.


Just to complicate matters further, this thread reminded me of a miscommunication once where the word ebook was used to refer to the file and the device. Given that ebook is short for electronic book this does make some sense.

So we now have ebook, e-book, ereader, e-reader, ebook reader, and e-book reader. How is liseuse any less valid than the other 6 choices?

Because nobody outside of MR (well hardly anybody) will know what that word means. And before this word gets put in places like wiki, there should be some solid proof that it really means eBook reader. There's proof that it has to do with things that have to do with reading. But there is no proof it has to be with anything electronic other then a light.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

yes i can, and i have previously. just look at all the links i gave in nate's wikipedia thread. i didn't just make this word up, you know. i learned it there myself.

Can't go have a look at all the links. The article was deleted.