What do you think of the name "liseuse?"

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by ahi

No. You, personally, doubtless could not have.

On the other hand...

- Ahi

What do you feel the need to be obnoxious?

[ahi]

Originally Posted by Krystian Galaj

I completely understand using the word "liseuse" in Lounge forum, among MobileRead regulars who know what they agreed for it to mean. However, I believe that it shouldn't be used in News and Commentary thread, without even a word of explanation what it's supposed to mean, as it's making the "news" unintelligible. At least until the word is used somewhere else that MobileRead.

Really?

I would have thought that this thread is proof positive that even the acutely paranoid that are raging against the imminent collapse of the English language due to a single French loanword are aware of what "liseuse" means in an eBook context.

Then again... maybe it's just me. I'm going to go read on my Sexifique now!

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What do you feel the need to be obnoxious?

Can't parse that... but the reason is primarily your sporadic refusal to distinguish between opinion and fact.

- Ahi

[Bilbo1967]

Originally Posted by Crowl

It's a real word in french that sometimes gets used in the context some on mr use it for, it is not a real word as far as english usage is concerned where it no more means ebook reader than bob or ted.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I could not have said it better.

Maybe not, although, hopefully you wouldn't have made the same elementary logical errors.

'Liseuse' is a foreign word which is sometimes used to describe something for which we do not have an agreed word yet in the English language. It therefore has some legitimacy as a word where 'bob' and 'ted' don't.

I appreciate that you don't like the word, but basing your argument on a fallacy doesn't help your cause.

[kazbates]

Originally Posted by HarryT

I think you mean "C++" .

Really?!?! I thought for sure there was one more + on there now!! Oh, well, I guess I need to pay more attention to what he's actually learning in college to see how far behind the times I actually am!

[JSWolf]

One problem with this word is that even in French its meaning has nothing to do with readers.

[Bilbo1967]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

One problem with this word is that even in French its meaning has nothing to do with readers.

When I put it through Babel Fish, it translates as 'reading light', so there's certainly a connection with the root 'read' in there somewhere.

[vivaldirules]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

One problem with this word is that even in French its meaning has nothing to do with readers.

I think it has been explained here more than once that liseuse (like many words) has more than one meaning. Whether some people find it appealing or not, it is a word in the French language and one of its accepted meanings is a device to read ebooks on.

[Grimaud]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

One problem with this word is that even in French its meaning has nothing to do with readers.

The piece of cloth is used by women when reading in her bed. So it's meaning has something to do with beautiful readers

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by vivaldirules

I think it has been explained here more than once that liseuse (like many words) has more than one meaning. Whether some people find it appealing or not, it is a word in the French language and one of its accepted meanings is a device to read ebooks on.

Accepted where? and by whom? Does it have this definition (E-Reader) in the "official" French dictionary? Is it used world-wide or only here on MR?

[ardeegee]

Originally Posted by Bilbo1967

to describe something for which we do not have an agreed word yet in the English language.

It is an ebook reader. Over 1.6 million Google hits for that term. Over 200 hits in Google news. Over 30,000 hits in Google Groups. You may not like that the term is ebook reader. You may stick your fingers in your ears and go lalalalala, but that in no way will change that the term has been ebook reader for 10 years (give or take) and will continue to be ebook reader in the future.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...=1&nav_num=100

[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

It is an ebook reader. Over 1.6 million Google hits for that term. Over 200 hits in Google news. Over 30,000 hits in Google Groups. You may not like that the term is ebook reader. You may stick your fingers in your ears and go lalalalala, but that in no way will change that the term has been ebook reader for 10 years (give or take) and will continue to be ebook reader in the future.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...=1&nav_num=100

If the agreed upon term is ebook reader, then why are e-reader and ereader still in use?

[zelda_pinwheel]

as i and others have explained previously, "liseuse" is a real french word. it has several meanings, all of which center on reading : it can mean a lamp used for reading, a jacket or shawl worn by a woman for reading in bed (as grimaud said), a knife used for cutting the pages of books and marking your place (this meaning is obviously rather out-dated), and... a device for reading ebooks.

as i've also explained previously, in french, ebooks are a recent phenomenon, and less well-known than in english. the french vocabulary is still evolving. most french people have no idea what an ebook or an ebook reader is, however "liseuse" is used to mean a reading device on various french blogs talking about them. i have given links before. that is in fact where i first learned the word.

originally, "liseuse" was mentioned in a discussion here about how to distinguish between the *device* used by people for reading ebooks, and the ebooks (files) themselves, the file-format "eReader", or the people reading ebooks on devices. some people liked the word well enough to use it in english as well as in french.

in english, ebooks are relatively more well-known, however i think the vocabulary is *still* being defined, as we can see even here, where some people say "e-reader" or "ereader", some say "ebook reader", and some say "liseuse".

if you don't like liseuse, use a different word. i still really don't understand why a few people are making such a fuss over a word which is quite legitimate. call it whatever you like. it seems quite obvious even from this discussion that the meaning of any of these words can be deduced from the context.

this backlash against the use of a perfectly acceptable word seems needlessly hostile to me and ironically, has probably served only to make the word *more* well-known, whereas without it, probably a handful of people would have continued to use the word and the rest would have peacefully continued to say "ebook reader" or "ereader" or whathaveyou.

if you want to discuss the evolution of living languages, which is a fascinating phenomenon and one we are witnessing from the first row and in fact participating in here, then please do, however do so respectfully and without antagonising other people's choices, languages, and cultures.

[Bilbo1967]

Originally Posted by ardeegee

It is an ebook reader. Over 1.6 million Google hits for that term. Over 200 hits in Google news. Over 30,000 hits in Google Groups. You may not like that the term is ebook reader. You may stick your fingers in your ears and go lalalalala, but that in no way will change that the term has been ebook reader for 10 years (give or take) and will continue to be ebook reader in the future.

http://news.google.com/archivesearch...=1&nav_num=100

Nearly 1000 hits in Google News and over 1.6 million Google hits for "e-reader".

Over 200 hits in Google News and over 1.95 million Google hits for "electronic book"

I'm not sure that Googling your preferred name and publishing the figures proves anything other than that there is not a commonly agreed term for these things yet.

Oh, and please knock off the sarcastic "fingers in ears", "lalala" comments. They may be appropriate in the playground, they're not here.

[aceflor]

Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

as i and others have explained previously, "liseuse" is a real french word. it has several meanings, all of which center on reading : it can mean a lamp used for reading, a jacket or shawl worn by a woman for reading in bed (as grimaud said), a knife used for cutting the pages of books and marking your place (this meaning is obviously rather out-dated), and... a device for reading ebooks.

as i've also explained previously, in french, ebooks are a recent phenomenon, and less well-known than in english. the french vocabulary is still evolving. most french people have no idea what an ebook or an ebook reader is, however "liseuse" is used to mean a reading device on various french blogs talking about them. i have given links before. that is in fact where i first learned the word.

originally, "liseuse" was mentioned in a discussion here about how to distinguish between the *device* used by people for reading ebooks, and the ebooks (files) themselves, the file-format "eReader", or the people reading ebooks on devices. some people liked the word well enough to use it in english as well as in french.

in english, ebooks are relatively more well-known, however i think the vocabulary is *still* being defined, as we can see even here, where some people say "e-reader" or "ereader", some say "ebook reader", and some say "liseuse".

if you don't like liseuse, use a different word. i still really don't understand why a few people are making such a fuss over a word which is quite legitimate. call it whatever you like. it seems quite obvious even from this discussion that the meaning of any of these words can be deduced from the context.

this backlash against the use of a perfectly acceptable word seems needlessly hostile to me and ironically, has probably served only to make the word *more* well-known, whereas without it, probably a handful of people would have continued to use the word and the rest would have peacefully continued to say "ebook reader" or "ereader" or whathaveyou.

if you want to discuss the evolution of living languages, which is a fascinating phenomenon and one we are witnessing from the first row and in fact participating in here, then please do, however do so respectfully and without antagonising other people's choices, languages, and cultures.

[Idoine]

I'll just quote my previous post :

Originally Posted by Idoine

As there is currently no official word in french for the device, I think french users are well-placed to propose a name.
And as Internet is currently the best way to propagate something, why not using it ?
Now english speakers don't have to use it, but I don't see why french speakers would have to use an english word if there is a possibility to create an alternative in french.
And if this alternative is sufficiently acknowledged, there is a chance that this term will appear on dictionaries in the end...
Am I here overly optimistic ?

Originally Posted by Idoine

I don't try here to even suggest other than french speakers would use "liseuse".
I think it would be great that all languages create their own word (it would mean at least that the device is wordly known and used !)
Why not start here ? In a place where minds are open (most of the time...) to other cultures ?

And for this :

Originally Posted by kennyc

What I want to know is about those 4 "others" I mean, what else is there?

... I am one of the 4 ! I like the word, in FRENCH. Now I'm perfectly aware that it can not be an English one, as the majority of English speakers are not able to pronounce it correctly.
I think myself as a realistic one (hope so, at least ! ).