The Vent and Rant Thread - Page 336

ShortNCuddlyAm · 08-21-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by PieOPah

Now, I have to try and convince the wife that we need to go to Kingston (an hours drive) so I can take it to an Apple Store in the hope that they will repair it under Warranty!

Bribe her with some pastries from Paul?

Patricia · 08-21-2009, 04:41 PM

Is it worth contacting your local trading standards people to enforce your rights against the retailer?

yvanleterrible · 08-21-2009, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz116

Yes.

Another rant: God and I have had a long lasting battle: everytime I am out in the open he lets the rain pour. It has become a test of wills. It became a test of egoes.

After I got a car I'd thought I'd won.

But then the other day, I had to take the bike to work. The skies were grey, raindrops were waiting to fall. But I got to work just in time before the skies opened up. I rose my fist, shaking it knowingly at the heavens: "I got you this time" I thought.

Three hours later they called from my daycare-center that my son was ill and I had to fetch him. At that very minute it started raining cats and dogs, and I had no option other than to accept it and get on my bike to fetch my kid.

I was simply outsmarted by God.

But I swear I won't let him win another round.

My goodness man, take a look at yourself, haven't you been punished enough?

Verencat · 08-21-2009, 11:33 PM

I was about to go to bed when I realized that I forgot to buy farking coffee!!
Don't talk to me tomorrow morning please, not before I crawl to the grocery store and back.

pilotbob · 08-22-2009, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Verencat

I was about to go to bed when I realized that I forgot to buy farking coffee!!
Don't talk to me tomorrow morning please, not before I crawl to the grocery store and back.

What you don't have any Mountain Dew or Jolt in the house?

BOb

Wetdogeared · 08-22-2009, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

What you don't have any Mountain Dew or Jolt in the house?

BOb

Canadian Mountain Dew has no caffeine.

pilotbob · 08-22-2009, 12:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wetdogeared

Canadian Mountain Dew has no caffeine.

Sacrilege!!!

BOb

Sweetpea · 08-22-2009, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ShortNCuddlyAm

Or if his real name is Rob...

Linky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_characters_from_The_Hitchhiker's_Gui de_to_the_Galaxy#Rob_McKenna

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Originally Posted by pshrynk

I think it referes to a Neil Gaiman joke...

Edit: Wrong British humorist.

I get the feeling some people are missing part of their basic education...

Dylrob · 08-22-2009, 02:13 AM

Right now I'm forced to type this message on my phone because my stupid internet connection has bugged out for the fifty thousandth time today.

On the bright side I'm quickly getting used to the keyboard on my new Samsung Saga.

GraceKrispy · 08-22-2009, 03:10 AM

SOMEONE HELP ME!!!

I am seriously almost at the end of my too-short tether with this issue. Bedtime with my 5, almost 6yo, is total hell (ok, that was a strong word, sorry). I do NOT know what to do! Nothing I try seems effective. She does NOT stay in bed and it's always for a different reason. She goes in stages. When she was a baby, we did the whole "Healthy sleep habits, happy child" thing (it's a book, a good book, imo!). She slept like a dream. Then she turned 10mo. She started walking at 9mo, and could climb out of her crib and open the door at 10mo. Bedtime has never been the same.

She used to get up and sneak around the house all night long as a toddler. we turned her doorknob around to lock her into her room for her own safety. She's gone through a stage where she would keep getting up and running around after that, and we'd have to send her back to bed. She hates to sleep. She fights sleep. Now she is playing like she's scared every night. She wants her bedroom light on. But then she reads and plays on her bed until 11pm or later

she wants to sleep with her brother, but they play all night. She has 3 nightlights in there, and a door open and hallway light on (daddy's idea, all of it). And she still claims to be scared. her bedtime is the same each night, her routine is the same each night. I am seriously going insane. I hate bedtime with a passion, I turn into EVIL mom at that time. I hate myself because I get so angry and my blood pressure rises.

That's my vent. Anyone has any reasonable suggestions, please let me know. Btw, just further information-- she is very bright and manipulative, can be very charming and loving (I do so love her! reall, I do...) she is assertive and has all these qualities that will make her one excellent woman to reckon with some day. But she is totally resistant to any sort of conditioning! Praise her, spank her, cuddle her, yell at her, it's all the same. she does what she likes. seriously, none of it makes any difference. Daddy can spank her and she does the same thing 5min later, if it's what she wanted to do. I should have known, when I found her on the countertop digging in the cupboards for food at 8mo. She gets what she wants. she's probably the only kid who could have survived just fine in the jungle as a toddler. *sigh*.

PieOPah · 08-22-2009, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GraceKrispy

That's my vent. Anyone has any reasonable suggestions, please let me know. Btw, just further information-- she is very bright and manipulative, can be very charming and loving (I do so love her! reall, I do...) she is assertive and has all these qualities that will make her one excellent woman to reckon with some day. But she is totally resistant to any sort of conditioning! Praise her, spank her, cuddle her, yell at her, it's all the same. she does what she likes. seriously, none of it makes any difference. Daddy can spank her and she does the same thing 5min later, if it's what she wanted to do. I should have known, when I found her on the countertop digging in the cupboards for food at 8mo. She gets what she wants. she's probably the only kid who could have survived just fine in the jungle as a toddler. *sigh*.

I know how difficult it can be at times and how easy it is to snap at your children - I do it more often than I like and I feel guilty about it - I just don't seem to stop!

I know that the ages are completely different, but this might help -

When we first removed the bars from our eldests cot/bed, she quickly realised that she could get out of bed on her own. Not liking going to bed, she did this quite a lot. Fortunately we did have an early warning system in place - we would leave the top stair gate unlocked with the locking bar up. For some reason Leona loved to lock the gate. As soon as we heard the click we would know she was out of bed. (except for the one time she didn't lock it and I found her asleep at the top of the stairs).

There were 3 stages to our method.

Stage One - First Offence
Pick child up and nicely tell them that they should be in bed as it is bedtime and put back in bed

Stage Two - Second Offence
Pick up child - say "Bed" (not angrily, always need to stay calm) and put child back in bed

Stage Three - Third and subsequent offences
Pick up child and put back to bed. DO NOT TALK OR RESPOND TO CHILD

I think that stage 3 was the most important. A lot of the reason the child is getting out of bed is for attention. If you don't give them the attention then they quickly become bored and do as you want.

By doing this, we quickly had our daughter into a great routine - she eventually gave up getting out of bed and went to sleep when we put her to bed.

The most important thing about this is that you must never give up or the child will know they can beat you.
You must alwys remain calm or it will show that you are weakening
You must be persistent - doing things differently will break the routine and work against you

I have known parents who do give up because they get too frustrated and all they work towards is lost!

Also, think about how you would react - would you be more likey to respond positively to somebody who is nicely asking you to do something or somebody who is screaming and shouting?

I would like to point out that this isn't my idea - I used to watch Supernanny a lot - and her methods really do seem to work - if you stick at it consistently!

EDIT: Just one other thing having reread your post. I was spanked as a child and it never did me any harm. I was all for spanking my children but the wife was dead against it, so we never have. I also never would - now I am against it.

Spanking a child for being naughty teaches them the wrong lesson - it means they think it is okay to hit people who are doing something wrong or that they don't like. I am not saying that this is what will happen, just what could happen.

Instead of spanking, try things like the Naughty Step (or corner or chair or wherever).

Again, with punishment, be persitent and consistent. If she does the same thing 5 minutes later, punish her again - just not by spanking - from experience, it is also easy to condition yourself against it. I would be spanked, put on the tears and then happilly have forgotten about it the second my parents left - it stopped bothering me!

kazbates · 08-22-2009, 10:19 AM

Grace,
When Zack was little, we had all kinds of problems getting him to sleep. Someone suggested this book to me and it worked wonders:
Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems
The link is to Barnes and Noble, but I would think you could find it anywhere. It even comes in a digital format. I'm not sure if it will help as Zack was a little younger than 5. Ryleigh went through a phase of Night Terrors when she was in preschool. It was awful. She would wake up screaming and was almost inconsolable. We took her to the pediatrician but was told to follow a bedtime routine that did not include television or anything stimulating. We followed their advice but it took almost 2 years for her to finally get to the point where she only woke up once a night. She's 8 1/2 now and she still wakes up once a night to use the bathroom. She won't go alone, so I get up with her (she doesn't want anyone but "the curly haired lady"

. It's been difficult; but, thankfully, I don't work so I can rest during the day, although, I've never been much of a sleeper. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and hope your daughter settles a little as she gets older.

yvanleterrible · 08-22-2009, 10:53 AM

Grace, perhaps that you might also have to face the fact that your child might be one of a million lucky people that does not need sleep as much as the rest of us. My son needed no more than 5 hours. He used to sneak up and play until he felt the need to crash. You do have to curb their habits though, and the way to do it is to force them up in the morning, it's a pain but it works.
My son still sleeps no more than 6 hours.

Laz116 · 08-22-2009, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

My goodness man, take a look at yourself, haven't you been punished enough?

I have, I truly have.

But word is that damnation is eternal for sinners like me.

Patricia · 08-22-2009, 11:16 AM

I'm thinking that perhaps her father might have the job of putting the child to bed, (at least for a while) since this is clearly so stressful for you, Grace. If the little one does have a manipulative streak then she can almost certainly sense your stress and play on it.

I sense, from your mentions of the lights as being "Daddy's idea" that you may not be entirely agreed on a strategy. Well, let him have a go, and take some weight off your shoulders.

I think that PieOPah has given some very useful advice.

Also, I think that you need to get your aims clear.
I personally would be inclined to tolerate the child is reading quietly in her bed, so long as she doesn't demand attention from everyone else. Perhaps she just gets very bored on her own. Or, as Yvan suggests, she may only need a few hours' sleep.
If she reads herself to sleep is it such a big deal? It might be easier to impose a "go to bed and stay there" routine if she is allowed to read quietly.

Obviously, you should make sure that the child has no cola or caffeinated drinks after about 4pm. You might also want to put all toys away and turn the television off, so that it is boring downstairs. This would help encourage her to climb the wooden hill to her room, where she can at least read quietly for an hour.

A neighbour's child used to be rather hyper after foods and drinks with some additives, especially food colourings. For some reason, a bag of those corn-based snacks, or potato chips would invariably lead to hours of hyperactivity. This might be worth researching.

Good luck.

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08-21-2009, 04:41 PM	#5027
Patricia Reader Posts: 11,504 Karma: 8720163 Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Wales, UK Device: Sony PRS-500, PRS-505, Asus EEEpc 4G	Is it worth contacting your local trading standards people to enforce your rights against the retailer?

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Verencat Wizard Posts: 2,615 Karma: 96491 Join Date: May 2009 Location: Montreal, Qc Device: xxx	I was about to go to bed when I realized that I forgot to buy farking coffee!! Don't talk to me tomorrow morning please, not before I crawl to the grocery store and back.

08-22-2009, 02:13 AM	#5034
Dylrob Murderous Mustela Posts: 10,234 Karma: 48000000 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: The other land of schnitzel and beer Device: iPad M1 Pro, Kindle Paperwhite	Right now I'm forced to type this message on my phone because my stupid internet connection has bugged out for the fifty thousandth time today. On the bright side I'm quickly getting used to the keyboard on my new Samsung Saga.

08-22-2009, 03:10 AM	#5035
GraceKrispy It's Dr. Penguin now! Posts: 3,909 Karma: 4705733 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: (USA) Device: iPad mini, Samsung Note 3, Sony PRS-650 (rarely used now)	SOMEONE HELP ME!!! I am seriously almost at the end of my too-short tether with this issue. Bedtime with my 5, almost 6yo, is total hell (ok, that was a strong word, sorry). I do NOT know what to do! Nothing I try seems effective. She does NOT stay in bed and it's always for a different reason. She goes in stages. When she was a baby, we did the whole "Healthy sleep habits, happy child" thing (it's a book, a good book, imo!). She slept like a dream. Then she turned 10mo. She started walking at 9mo, and could climb out of her crib and open the door at 10mo. Bedtime has never been the same. She used to get up and sneak around the house all night long as a toddler. we turned her doorknob around to lock her into her room for her own safety. She's gone through a stage where she would keep getting up and running around after that, and we'd have to send her back to bed. She hates to sleep. She fights sleep. Now she is playing like she's scared every night. She wants her bedroom light on. But then she reads and plays on her bed until 11pm or later she wants to sleep with her brother, but they play all night. She has 3 nightlights in there, and a door open and hallway light on (daddy's idea, all of it). And she still claims to be scared. her bedtime is the same each night, her routine is the same each night. I am seriously going insane. I hate bedtime with a passion, I turn into EVIL mom at that time. I hate myself because I get so angry and my blood pressure rises. That's my vent. Anyone has any reasonable suggestions, please let me know. Btw, just further information-- she is very bright and manipulative, can be very charming and loving (I do so love her! reall, I do...) she is assertive and has all these qualities that will make her one excellent woman to reckon with some day. But she is totally resistant to any sort of conditioning! Praise her, spank her, cuddle her, yell at her, it's all the same. she does what she likes. seriously, none of it makes any difference. Daddy can spank her and she does the same thing 5min later, if it's what she wanted to do. I should have known, when I found her on the countertop digging in the cupboards for food at 8mo. She gets what she wants. she's probably the only kid who could have survived just fine in the jungle as a toddler. sigh.

08-22-2009, 10:19 AM	#5037
kazbates Wizard Posts: 2,627 Karma: 406616 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Northern Virginia Device: SurfacePro, SurfaceBook 2	Grace, When Zack was little, we had all kinds of problems getting him to sleep. Someone suggested this book to me and it worked wonders: Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems The link is to Barnes and Noble, but I would think you could find it anywhere. It even comes in a digital format. I'm not sure if it will help as Zack was a little younger than 5. Ryleigh went through a phase of Night Terrors when she was in preschool. It was awful. She would wake up screaming and was almost inconsolable. We took her to the pediatrician but was told to follow a bedtime routine that did not include television or anything stimulating. We followed their advice but it took almost 2 years for her to finally get to the point where she only woke up once a night. She's 8 1/2 now and she still wakes up once a night to use the bathroom. She won't go alone, so I get up with her (she doesn't want anyone but "the curly haired lady" . It's been difficult; but, thankfully, I don't work so I can rest during the day, although, I've never been much of a sleeper. I'll keep my fingers crossed for you and hope your daughter settles a little as she gets older.

08-22-2009, 10:53 AM	#5038
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	Grace, perhaps that you might also have to face the fact that your child might be one of a million lucky people that does not need sleep as much as the rest of us. My son needed no more than 5 hours. He used to sneak up and play until he felt the need to crash. You do have to curb their habits though, and the way to do it is to force them up in the morning, it's a pain but it works. My son still sleeps no more than 6 hours.

08-22-2009, 11:16 AM	#5040
Patricia Reader Posts: 11,504 Karma: 8720163 Join Date: May 2007 Location: South Wales, UK Device: Sony PRS-500, PRS-505, Asus EEEpc 4G	I'm thinking that perhaps her father might have the job of putting the child to bed, (at least for a while) since this is clearly so stressful for you, Grace. If the little one does have a manipulative streak then she can almost certainly sense your stress and play on it. I sense, from your mentions of the lights as being "Daddy's idea" that you may not be entirely agreed on a strategy. Well, let him have a go, and take some weight off your shoulders. I think that PieOPah has given some very useful advice. Also, I think that you need to get your aims clear. I personally would be inclined to tolerate the child is reading quietly in her bed, so long as she doesn't demand attention from everyone else. Perhaps she just gets very bored on her own. Or, as Yvan suggests, she may only need a few hours' sleep. If she reads herself to sleep is it such a big deal? It might be easier to impose a "go to bed and stay there" routine if she is allowed to read quietly. Obviously, you should make sure that the child has no cola or caffeinated drinks after about 4pm. You might also want to put all toys away and turn the television off, so that it is boring downstairs. This would help encourage her to climb the wooden hill to her room, where she can at least read quietly for an hour. A neighbour's child used to be rather hyper after foods and drinks with some additives, especially food colourings. For some reason, a bag of those corn-based snacks, or potato chips would invariably lead to hours of hyperactivity. This might be worth researching. Good luck.