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I am not a vegetarian by any means. More BACON! |
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63 | 42.57% |
I eat meat but I don't do so with every meal. |
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38 | 25.68% |
I am not a vegetarian but I don't eat meat more than about three times a week. |
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11 | 7.43% |
I am not a vegetarian but I don't eat beef or pork. Fish and poultry are the only meats I eat. |
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3 | 2.03% |
I am not a strict vegetarian but I genearlly avoid meat and eat it only about once a week. |
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7 | 4.73% |
I am a vegetarian but I do eat eggs or dairy products. |
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27 | 18.24% |
I am a vegan and don't eat any meat, eggs, or dairy products. |
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6 | 4.05% |
I avoid buying products made from animals (e.g., leather). |
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13 | 8.78% |
I avoid meat for reasons of religion, conscience, or self-discipline. |
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12 | 8.11% |
I avoid meat for health reasons. |
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3 | 2.03% |
I avoid meat for both health reasons and reasons of religion, conscience, or self-discipline. |
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10 | 6.76% |
I am a vegetarian and don't eat any meat, eggs, fish, or any other form of non-vege items, but dairy products like milk, butter, cheese are ok. |
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4 | 2.70% |
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Actually, we of the genus homo, evolved to be the dominant and surviving species of hominids because of our brain power, and that, if I understand evolutionary science correctly, was a direct result of the protein gotten from meat in our diets, as opposed to the exclusive gathering lifestyle of the other hominids that we replaced. As a species we are omnivores because our predecessors ate pretty much anything that didn't eat them first in order to survive. And survive they did, and flourished, and became the most dominant species on earth mainly because of (originally) what they ate. Because of that evolution our digestive systems can process pretty much any foodstuffs we choose, unlike many other animals who are specialists (like the Panda) and would become extinct if that one food source disappeared because they couldn't adapt. Because of all this, we are now free to choose what foods we care to eat, what we like and don't like, for whatever reason we might have for deciding that particular way. Our history of being murderers of animals brought us to where we are, good or bad. I could be wrong about all that, but that's how I learned it. |
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On that same thought, wouldn't the same be true of the bear and the salmon? Would it not be the responsibility of the bear to take care of the salmon, instead of eating him, since the bear is higher on the food chain? Or does that food chain reasoning apply only to people? Also, how do we know for sure that a carrot does not feel? It grows, therefore it is alive. But just because it doesn't have the same kind of brain and nervous system that we are familiar with, doesn't mean it doesn't feel and suffer. We used to think nothiing could live without sunlight too. We were wrong. We used to think the world was flat. We were wrong. |
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I think we can eat meat raw, it just tastes better, and is easier to digest cooked, it is also safer as cooking kills off bacteria etc.
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If you put you're hand in a fire, the pain makes you take it out before too much harm is done. A carrot cannot take avoiding action, so I doubt if it ever evolved the ability to 'suffer', since it wouldn't give it any evolutionary benefit. But, I'm no expert. |
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Perhaps I misread that quote, but that was how I took it. And to me, eating children is the same as eating cats or dogs or chickens or cows. I do think that is a sensible question. It was not meant to be outlandish. /QUOTE] Just tell me you 'misquoted' here. Please. |
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Conversation has stayed pretty civil, so I'm going to take off my "moderator" hat and put my "participant" hat back on, unless someone objects.
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As a culture, we make decisions about the morality of other people all the time. We forbid murder, various kinds of theft, pedophilia, polygamy, etc. I am not directly equating eating meat with any of these. I'm just saying that cultures do make decisions about the morality of individual choices, based on a variety of criteria. The eating of meat is an area where there is less consensus than many other issues. Again, I don't try to convince anyone else not to eat meat, even my own kids. The reasons for which I became a vegetarian are based on moral considerations, but there are a lot of moral areas of life. If I were asked to evaluate the morality of someone else's life (which I generally don't do), choice of diet would only be one part. Quote:
Regarding the feelings of carrots and other plants, there is evidence that plants respond to their environments and influence their surroundings, but not so much evidence that they predict or plan, so I suppose at minimum the carrot probably does not feel fear or dread on being harvested. But again, most vegetarians acknowledge that some plants are going to die no matter what-- but more plants will die, in addition to animals, if humans eat animals (because the animals have to eat plants first). Interestingly, cattle don't actually need to eat grain or other human food sources. See Frances Moore Lappé's Diet for a Small Planet for a review of the historical decisions to start feeding grain to cattle after the "green revolution" created a grain surplus. Cows have multi-chambered stomachs so they can eat cellulose (grass) and turn it into protein.* The result is leaner and healthier for both the cattle and the human eaters. If I were going to eat beef (and I no longer care for the taste or smell, but I imagine that would change if I were starving), I'd feel better about eating free-range grass-fed cattle than pen-raised grain-fed cattle (who also get fed bits of sheep). There's nothing "natural" about the food chain humans have constructed around meat animals. *Edit to add: when cows eat grass, it doesn't kill the grass. It does kill individual cells, but the plant as a whole generally survives, especially perennial varieties. Last edited by nekokami; 06-26-2009 at 11:08 AM. |
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If a child and a chicken were both drowning (I don't think chickens can swim...) which would you save and why? Also - I was serious about wasting meat because we are not allowed to eat horse, if we were allowed to do such things ( as eat animals other than the 'norm' ), then maybe we would not have to 'force grow' animals as much to fill in the meat supply gap. (just a thought) Good point; but I believe parts of the body like hair and nails continue to grow after death on animals (including people here) |
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Question: if meat could be grown as cellular tissue in vitro, so that it could be harvested without killing any animals, how many of you who identify as vegetarians would have an ethical problem with eating it? (Let's assume, for the moment, that this could be done in a way that produced "meat" that really was just as healthy and tasted the same as the real thing.)
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"If the Great Juju hadn't meant for us to eat people, he wouldn't have made us of meat!" -- From "The Reluctant Cannibal" by Flanders and Swann (See the lyrics here, or listen to a free streamed MP3 here)
A great song, which turns accepted Western thought on its head... in a very amusing way. ![]() ![]() Xenophon Last edited by Xenophon; 06-26-2009 at 11:16 AM. Reason: added links |
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(Un) Realistically I would like to have a smallholding and raise my own meat in a nice and friendly fashion, but land prices being what they are over here (because of Barratts obsession with covering every square inch with concreete and houses).... |
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