Dealing with Kindle ebooks in calibre

[texasnightowl]

I've been guilty of calling mine both the K4BNT and the K5. I think one reason is the wiki here on MR about Kindle Serial numbers. According to it, my device with serial number 9023 is a "Kindle 4 NoTouch Black (2012) / K4, K4B"

But yes, according to Amazon, the black is the K5.

So...I just type whichever I feel like.

[odamizu]

Originally Posted by texasnightowl

... So...I just type whichever I feel like.

I think this is the way to go

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by odamizu

Amazon identifies my device as a 5th generation Kindle, and I always referred to it as a K5 until someone around here indicated it was really a K4NT in a black case, and then I saw some people using the abbreviation K4BNT, so I obliged. But I see now that there are objections to K4BNT, as well, so I guess there will be flak no matter what I call it.

If you want to be accurate, call your Kindle a K5NT.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by texasnightowl

I've been guilty of calling mine both the K4BNT and the K5. I think one reason is the wiki here on MR about Kindle Serial numbers. According to it, my device with serial number 9023 is a "Kindle 4 NoTouch Black (2012) / K4, K4B"

But yes, according to Amazon, the black is the K5.

So...I just type whichever I feel like.

I just had a look at the Wiki and it's very confusing and has some mistakes like KOA for Kindle Oasis instead of KO. So for the 3rd Kindle Oasis, the name should be KO3. There is no reason for the A in the abbreviation.

[odamizu]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

If you want to be accurate, call your Kindle a K5NT.

Why? There are only two 5th generation devices: a Kindle and a Paperwhite. So K5 seems sufficient, since the other device is PW.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by odamizu

Why? There are only two 5th generation devices: a Kindle and a Paperwhite. So K5 seems sufficient, since the other device is PW.

But calling it a K5 would get confusing to some with a Kindle Basic. Using K5NT would not be so confusing.

[odamizu]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

But calling it a K5 would get confusing to some with a Kindle Basic. Using K5NT would not be so confusing.

Why? The Kindle Basic is a 7th gen device and uses the abbreviation KT2, KT3, etc.

You might persuade me to use K5NT if the Kindle Basic was a K7. But KT2 and K5 seem sufficiently differentiated to me.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by odamizu

Why? The Kindle Basic is a 7th gen device and uses the abbreviation KT2, KT3, etc.

You might persuade me to use K5NT if the Kindle Basic was a K7. But KT2 and K5 seem sufficiently differentiated to me.

KT is also an abbreviation for Kindle Touch. See, this is where is gets confusing. The Kindle Basic should be KB2, KB3, etc. Whereas the Kindle Touch would be KT4. So it gets rather confusing.

[issybird]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Also, KOA3 is really KO3. The A is the start of a word on it's own.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I just had a look at the Wiki and it's very confusing and has some mistakes like KOA for Kindle Oasis instead of KO. So for the 3rd Kindle Oasis, the name should be KO3. There is no reason for the A in the abbreviation.

See below:

Originally Posted by issybird

Knock it off. This isn’t the first time you’ve been told to drop it.

[Rellwood]

Originally Posted by odamizu

I did more experimenting and discovered that I am still able to "deliver" books to my K4BNT by going to Amazon's website and going through Content Library > Books > Deliver or remove from device. Then when I go to my K4BNT and sync, the book will be delivered, though I had to restart it one more time.

However, if I navigate to the book on my K4BNT itself (Archived library) and click on it, it will not download. Instead, I still get the "Your download was not successful. Please try again" error.

To be honest, this doesn't feel so much like Amazon deliberately pulling the plug on older Kindles as much as it feels like deprecated software being broken by new processes and not being fixed because the deprecated software is ... well ... deprecated.

I JUST registered and was able to download to a Kindle Keyboard 3rd Gen FW 3.4.2 - got an azw3 download - and was busy patting myself on the back about it when I learned about Amazon's stopping the ability to buy, download, or borrow new content on devices from 2012 and older - the ones only running the .azw3 formats.

I have a 7th Gen Paperwhite that was snuck updated to 5.16.2.1.1 last month. It still pulls books but it's a pain to get them to download and it's a gamble if they actually remove the DRM now.

Here's the link on "The Verge" where it's talked about

https://www.theverge.com/tech/908302...pre-2012-older

[odamizu]

It's also being talked about here on MobileRead: https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=372947 and https://www.mobileread.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=372958, and I've already updated the first post.

Also, it's my understanding that 5.16.2.1.1 no longer works

[SASSBS]

So if I have understood the 95 pages as someone using a Kindle Keyboard to get my books, based on today's news there is no point getting a new E-Ink Kindle as it won't work?

Neither will a Kindle Fire, and K4PC may or may not work.

Is this correct? Thanks

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by SASSBS

So if I have understood the 95 pages as someone using a Kindle Keyboard to get my books, based on today's news there is no point getting a new E-Ink Kindle as it won't work?

Neither will a Kindle Fire, and K4PC may or may not work.

Is this correct? Thanks

Yes, it's correct (at the moment).

[lkmiller]

Originally Posted by SASSBS

So if I have understood the 95 pages as someone using a Kindle Keyboard to get my books, based on today's news there is no point getting a new E-Ink Kindle as it won't work?

Neither will a Kindle Fire, and K4PC may or may not work.

Is this correct? Thanks

All summed up nicely in the first post. Correct that books from new Kindles aren't DeDRMable since firmware 5.18.5. And any Kindle between those getting cut off and the new ones is either already getting unDeDRMable books or probably will be soon. There are still working methods for Kindle for PC at this moment, but the process is more involved.

[jhowell]

Originally Posted by lkmiller

There are still working methods for Kindle for PC at this moment, but the process is more involved.

It is possible that might not last much longer either. Amazon has started referring to that as the “Legacy Kindle for PC” app. No sign yet of what, if anything, will be replacing it.