Improved Charis SIL with smallcaps - Page 21

Winston Payne · 07-25-2025, 02:49 PM

I noticed that the no-break space (nbsp) in ChareInk is bigger than the standard space. In fontforge while viewing the Italic style, to give one example: the nbsp width is listed as 600, while the standard space width is 500, so the appearance of spaces isn't uniform depending on the type that is used. Perhaps this can be changed when updating the font based on the v7.000 Charis release?

JSWolf · 07-25-2025, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

The older RMSDK renderer used for ePubs on Kobo ereaders does not support a lot of advanced CSS. The webkit based renderer used for kepubs supports a lot more ePub advanced CSS. IIRC, RMSDK only supports font-variant: normal; and font-variant small-caps;.

Are you sure the Kobo version of RMSDK supports font-variant: small-caps;?

JSWolf · 07-25-2025, 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston Payne

I noticed that the no-break space (nbsp) in ChareInk is bigger than the standard space. In fontforge while viewing the Italic style, to give one example: the nbsp width is listed as 600, while the standard space width is 500, so the appearance of spaces isn't uniform depending on the type that is used. Perhaps this can be changed when updating the font based on the v7.000 Charis release?

I'll do a version of ChareInk7SP that has the smaller space and I'll see about making the non-breaking space the same size. I may not be able to get to it until Sunday.

DNSB · 07-25-2025, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Are you sure the Kobo version of RMSDK supports font-variant: small-caps;?

Yes, no. maybe. One reference on Adobe's page for the version of ADE that is equivalent to the version of RMSDK used in the Kobo firmware on my KLC seems to show that font-variant: small-caps; should be supported. OTOH, I have not used font-variant: small-caps; in a CSS style in a while since support is spotty and requires a font with small-cap support to look half-decent.

JSWolf · 08-08-2025, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

Yes, no. maybe. One reference on Adobe's page for the version of ADE that is equivalent to the version of RMSDK used in the Kobo firmware on my KLC seems to show that font-variant: small-caps; should be supported. OTOH, I have not used font-variant: small-caps; in a CSS style in a while since support is spotty and requires a font with small-cap support to look half-decent.

Unless I am doing something wrong, I cannot get font variant: small-caps; to work with Kobo's RMSDK.

DNSB · 08-08-2025, 01:27 AM

Which flavour of RMSDK?

JSWolf · 08-08-2025, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

Which flavour of RMSDK?

I don't know the version of RMSDK that Kobo is using. It may be the equivelent of some version 3 of ADE.

JSWolf · 08-16-2025, 05:53 PM

I've finished creating ChareInk7SP with no added weight. I've fixed the space to be smaller and I've fixed the metrics so it will have the same line height. I've also fixed the internal names.

I've not yet tested it. That will be for tomorrow. If it looks OK, I'll add to the first post for everyone to have a go.

JSWolf · Yesterday, 04:07 AM

I've uploaded ChareInk7SP based on Charis SIL 7. I'll be doing a ChareInk7 with the normal space later this week.

Cam7 · Yesterday, 09:16 PM

Thank you for the work you’ve put into this font. It’s already amazing. For me, update seven will be my last one since I think seven is a lucky number. Out of respect for your effort, I want to ask what your intentions are going forward. Do you see more updates ahead, or is the project close to where you want it?

DNSB · Yesterday, 11:00 PM

There seems to be an issue with the italic variant in the font. The line spacing is ridiculously large since the ascent is set to 15650 instead of 1650. The regular, bold and bold-italic variants look okay. See the attached image with my weighted variant and JSWolf's variant. I've also added my weighted variant for anyone who wants to try it. It uses the medium Charis version for regular and italic which I find comfortable to view.

JSWolf · Today, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNSB

There seems to be an issue with the italic variant in the font. The line spacing is ridiculously large since the ascent is set to 15650 instead of 1650. The regular, bold and bold-italic variants look okay. See the attached image with my weighted variant and JSWolf's variant. I've also added my weighted variant for anyone who wants to try it. It uses the medium Charis version for regular and italic which I find comfortable to view.

Thanks for catching my mistake. I'll fix the italic version and repost.

JSWolf · Today, 10:27 AM

Thanks to @DNSB, there was an error in the metadata of the italic version. That has been fixed. Also, I fixed the non-breaking space to mach the same size as the space.

JSWolf · Today, 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cam7

Thank you for the work you’ve put into this font. It’s already amazing. For me, update seven will be my last one since I think seven is a lucky number. Out of respect for your effort, I want to ask what your intentions are going forward. Do you see more updates ahead, or is the project close to where you want it?

My intentions depend on what happens with Charis SIL. That's the font ChareInk comes from.

Sine version 7 has a lot of changes for the better, I decided it's time for a new version. I still have to make a weight added version and the versions without the smaller space which I will do this week.

JSWolf · Today, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winston Payne

I noticed that the no-break space (nbsp) in ChareInk is bigger than the standard space. In fontforge while viewing the Italic style, to give one example: the nbsp width is listed as 600, while the standard space width is 500, so the appearance of spaces isn't uniform depending on the type that is used. Perhaps this can be changed when updating the font based on the v7.000 Charis release?

The non-breaking space in ChareInk7SP has been fixed.

07-25-2025, 02:49 PM	#301
Winston Payne Junior Member Posts: 2 Karma: 10 Join Date: Dec 2024 Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Pocketbook Verse Pro	I noticed that the no-break space (nbsp) in ChareInk is bigger than the standard space. In fontforge while viewing the Italic style, to give one example: the nbsp width is listed as 600, while the standard space width is 500, so the appearance of spaces isn't uniform depending on the type that is used. Perhaps this can be changed when updating the font based on the v7.000 Charis release? Last edited by Winston Payne; 07-25-2025 at 02:54 PM.

Yesterday, 09:16 PM	#310
Cam7 Junior Member Posts: 1 Karma: 10 Join Date: Aug 2025 Device: Kindle paperwhite 11th gen	A thank you and a question Thank you for the work you’ve put into this font. It’s already amazing. For me, update seven will be my last one since I think seven is a lucky number. Out of respect for your effort, I want to ask what your intentions are going forward. Do you see more updates ahead, or is the project close to where you want it?

Yesterday, 11:00 PM	#311
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 46,779 Karma: 169712580 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	There seems to be an issue with the italic variant in the font. The line spacing is ridiculously large since the ascent is set to 15650 instead of 1650. The regular, bold and bold-italic variants look okay. See the attached image with my weighted variant and JSWolf's variant. I've also added my weighted variant for anyone who wants to try it. It uses the medium Charis version for regular and italic which I find comfortable to view. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by DNSB; Today at 07:21 PM. Reason: Edit removed Char7WSP.zip.

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08-08-2025, 01:27 AM	#306
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 46,779 Karma: 169712580 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	Which flavour of RMSDK?

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JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,915 Karma: 146918083 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I've finished creating ChareInk7SP with no added weight. I've fixed the space to be smaller and I've fixed the metrics so it will have the same line height. I've also fixed the internal names. I've not yet tested it. That will be for tomorrow. If it looks OK, I'll add to the first post for everyone to have a go.

Yesterday, 04:07 AM	#309
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,915 Karma: 146918083 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I've uploaded ChareInk7SP based on Charis SIL 7. I'll be doing a ChareInk7 with the normal space later this week.

Today, 10:27 AM	#313
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,915 Karma: 146918083 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Thanks to @DNSB, there was an error in the metadata of the italic version. That has been fixed. Also, I fixed the non-breaking space to mach the same size as the space.