Amazon and DRM changes

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by lkmiller

Right now download & transfer is non-kfx even for Kindles that support kfx.

Isn't D & t KFX for the Scribe?

[lkmiller]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

A PW1 is also useless even though it doesn't download KFX. It download KF8 and splits it into pieces.

That's for image heavy books, isn't it?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by lkmiller

That's for image heavy books, isn't it?

It could be for all due to the stylus and Amazon using KFX for markup.

[lkmiller]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

It could be for all due to the stylus and Amazon using KFX for markup.

I was talking about the split KF8 for PW1.

I haven't heard of download & transfer providing kfx for the Kindle Scribe.

[lkmiller]

Originally Posted by Quoth

It's a bit weird they ever allowed PC downloads for eInk Kindle of borrowed books in the last few years; I guess maybe for institutional users that didn't allow wifi for the Kindle users. Kindles with no WiFi or Mobile are very ancient?

Yes, I say it's about time they stopped download & transfer for borrowed books. I think even the original Kindle came with mobile connectivity.

[ownedbycats]

Didn't they cut off the oldest Kindles a little while back?

[John F]

Originally Posted by lkmiller

I don't know any specific numbers. But a lot of people who only occasionally read ebooks will of course just use their phones.

I wonder. I would guess even occasional readers who own a phone and tablet would use a tablet. And I would still be curious to see some actual numbers.

And in case I wasn't clear, I was curious about ebook numbers not user numbers.

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

Didn't they cut off the oldest Kindles a little while back?

I think that is for buying books on device and that OTA downloads still work for wifi capable devices and also for 3G where 3G hasn't been shut down yet.

[lkmiller]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

Didn't they cut off the oldest Kindles a little while back?

Yes, I believe you're right. That they shut off the free 3G or whatever it was. They also don't allow the old non-touch devices to use the on device store anymore. I never shop on my ereaders anyway.

eta: ok, maybe it was just the on device store that was shut off...don't have anything that old myself.

[lkmiller]

Originally Posted by John F

I wonder. I would guess even occasional readers who own a phone and tablet would use a tablet. And I would still be curious to see some actual numbers.

And in case I wasn't clear, I was curious about ebook numbers not user numbers.

Yeah, I would think a large amount of occassional ebook buyers reading on phones/tablets would add up to more ebooks overall than the small amount of ereader users who buy more ebooks individually.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by lkmiller

Yes, I say it's about time they stopped download & transfer for borrowed books. I think even the original Kindle came with mobile connectivity.

Really, I'm surprised they offer download and transfer at all. All Kindles that are not cut off already have WiFi. Don't get me wrong, it's helpful to those that strip DRM. But it seems it would make more sense for Amazon to cut that off.

[issybird]

Originally Posted by lkmiller

Yes, I believe you're right. That they shut off the free 3G or whatever it was. They also don't allow the old non-touch devices to use the on device store anymore. I never shop on my ereaders anyway.

eta: ok, maybe it was just the on device store that was shut off...don't have anything that old myself.

I believe that the first and second gen Kindles only had 2G access and no WiFi connectivity. So once the 2G access was ended, the devices could no longer direct download books at all. But IMO, the owners of those devices were generously compensated; some even got totally free Kindles IIRC. Devices do obsolete, after all, and I don't think they were owed that.

The later non-touch Kindles can no longer access the store, but can still connect to WiFi and download books purchased on other devices.

[darryl]

Originally Posted by lkmiller

Yeah, I would think a large amount of occassional ebook buyers reading on phones/tablets would add up to more ebooks overall than the small amount of ereader users who buy more ebooks individually.

I also suspect that is the case. However, Amazon no doubt does know and I presume is taking this into account in its decisions. I was aksi unterested un an earkuer post which referred to Amazon having an option to choose DRM as a reason for return. I think Amazon is closely monitoring what happens. It no doubt hopes that it can keep both those who do care about DRM and those who don't, and may be hoping that the present situation will allow them to mostly do so.

[John F]

Originally Posted by lkmiller

Yeah, I would think a large amount of occassional ebook buyers reading on phones/tablets would add up to more ebooks overall than the small amount of ereader users who buy more ebooks individually.

I would guess that more ebooks are read on tablets and eink then on phones.

All of these are I think and I guess, which is why I am interested in some numbers.

[lkmiller]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Really, I'm surprised they offer download and transfer at all. All Kindles that are not cut off already have WiFi. Don't get me wrong, it's helpful to those that strip DRM. But it seems it would make more sense for Amazon to cut that off.

Yeah, it seems like it's mostly a courtesy at this point. These days if you can download to a computer, you can probably download directly to the Kindle.