Ethics and legalities of format shifting

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by binaryhermit

(Though for an ereader with buttons you could just have the robot press the button rather than flipping pages, it should be easier than the more complicated action of turning a page in a paper book)

EDIT: I was right https://www.mhpbooks.com/austrian-pr...ss-kindle-drm/

It's not much harder to swipe the pages and you can buy a USB driven robotic style arm for under €200. But actually commercial pirates often use a paper copy and convert it to ebook.

Anyway, armchair speculation is pointless. You want to talk to prosecutors and also to legal departments of Corporations that have sued internet uploaders and people operating the sites.

Archive.org is a well financed breaker of copyright. They've been scanning books in copyright for years and their Open Library concept flouts copyright.

Google was taken to court and won, but on the basis that they are not redistributing the copyright content they scan, only using it for search. I expect that decision to be revisited. They also have their own definition of an Orphan Work. Their preview algorithm potentially allows a team to capture an entire book from Google.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

It is certainly not my responsibility if someone feels affected by my general statements.
I am not aware that I would have accused anyone directly by name - but have answered posts that advocate breaking the law.

You mean yourr narrow amateur interpretation of the law.

And in the UK, you do not specifically have to mention a name. It might be libel what you have posted about thieving. I'd have to consult a real lawyer. The question is how much is the damage to reputation.

You keep making definitive comments about thieves related to people Format shifting content they bought. The ebooks and DRM are irrelevant. Your simplistic and totally misleading statements apply to ANY copyright content on any medium.

I'd begin to wonder if you work for a company selling DRM solutions, because your comments have zero value except to scare innocent consumers.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

Of course, if someone gives me to understand that they are not willing to pay something that is legally due, then I can also express my opinion that I see such a procedure as a theft / embezzlement.

No, people are paying for one copy and reading that copy without redistributing it. There is ZERO damages to the Rights holder / Content seller. You'd be laughed at by a Judge and Jury.

You have only an opinion based on a strange interpretation of Copyright law. You are not the State Prosecutor or in charge of suing people for a corporation. If you are either of these you'll be giving a lot of amusement to your colleagues.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

I don't understand the point of this action, because DRM is also self-protection - nobody except me can do anything with this file.

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

I don't understand the point of this action, because DRM is also self-protection - nobody except me can do anything with this file.

You did not answer the question. If I remove the DRM and put the eBook on my authorized device, am I doing anything wrong?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

Only old Amazon DRM can be removed with the device serial number. Kfx, Adobe DRM, CARE is safe.

But if you do have Mobi or KF8 on your Kindle because the eBook doesn't download with enhanced typesetting (KFX) then I can remove the DRM with the eBook and the Kindle. I've downloaded a number of eBooks that came in KF8 format.Maybe they've since been updated to support KFX, but at the time, no they did not. Also, if your Kindle is too old to support KFX, you'll end up with KF8 or Mobi depending on the Kindle.

So are you afraid of having Mobi or KF8 eBook on your Kindle in case it gets lost or stolen?

[Thasaidon]

I feel ottischwenk has either violated the posting guidelines rules or has come very close to violating them.

If the latter a warning may be due.

Could we have an adjudication from a Mod please.

[PKFFW]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

Of course I can't know all the laws, but as far as I know them, consciously yes - it has happened that I have overlooked a street sign or speed limit, for example.
Also, I don't read all terms and conditions - so I've certainly broken some of them. In addition, I do not adhere to them if they restrict laws known to me.

Is that enough as an answer?

So exactly like I said, you don't follow all laws, etc.

Something about a pot and kettle and the colour black comes to mind.

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

But if you do have Mobi or KF8 on your Kindle because the eBook doesn't download with enhanced typesetting (KFX) then I can remove the DRM with the eBook and the Kindle. I've downloaded a number of eBooks that came in KF8 format.Maybe they've since been updated to support KFX, but at the time, no they did not. Also, if your Kindle is too old to support KFX, you'll end up with KF8 or Mobi depending on the Kindle.

So are you afraid of having Mobi or KF8 eBook on your Kindle in case it gets lost or stolen?

I have 3 Kindle devices (Kindle 4, PW2, PW4) - at home, out of order and in the safe because I don't read them.
I only read Amazon books with the Kindle app or K4PC and at Amazon I have access to a maximum of 3 books because I delete the rest there.
However, I download it to my PC and into its own caliber library - but none of my computers have DRM-removing software; this was also found out during the investigation at that time, during which all my computers were examined.
A few months ago I became interested in remove DRM and for a short time I added deDRM to Calibre on a laptop that was rarely used, but removed it again soon afterwards.
If someone wants to get access to my books, then they would have to break into my house.
At best, he can read them on a device.

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by PKFFW

So exactly like I said, you don't follow all laws, etc.

Maybe - but I don't know.
But one thing I know for sure - I pay everything I have to pay and don't use any coarse excuses to avoid it.

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

You did not answer the question. If I remove the DRM and put the eBook on my authorized device, am I doing anything wrong?

Perhaps the investigating authority would have been satisfied with this justification - but I don't know.

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by Quoth

No, people are paying for one copy and reading that copy without redistributing it. There is ZERO damages to the Rights holder / Content seller. You'd be laughed at by a Judge and Jury.

You have only an opinion based on a strange interpretation of Copyright law. You are not the State Prosecutor or in charge of suing people for a corporation. If you are either of these you'll be giving a lot of amusement to your colleagues.

No, I am not - but I was the victim of such an investigation.
And I am very glad that neither a DRM removed file nor DRM removal software could be found on my computers.

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by Quoth

It's not much harder to swipe the pages and you can buy a USB driven robotic style arm for under €200. But actually commercial pirates often use a paper copy and convert it to ebook.

Although this is against the meaning of copyright law, it is not against the methods described in the law and therefore not against the law, since private copying is permitted.
In this case, you could only punish the upload, which is also illegal.

[PKFFW]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

Maybe - but I don't know.
But one thing I know for sure - I pay everything I have to pay and don't use any coarse excuses to avoid it.

That may very well be true.

However you do excuse yourself for the laws you choose to break so there's really not a lot of difference. You just choose to break different laws is all.

[ottischwenk]

Originally Posted by PKFFW

That may very well be true.

However you do excuse yourself for the laws you choose to break so there's really not a lot of difference. You just choose to break different laws is all.

"Umgekehrt wird ein Schuh daraus."

I choose to obey all of the laws I know simply because it is impossible to know all of the laws of any legislative body.
In addition: "ignorance does not protect against punishment".
That is why I try to get the relevant informations.

And I am very certain that I violate any interpretations of the Koran, for example, by adhering to those that are valid in my country - that I know.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by ottischwenk

Yes, I am responsible for what I enter in Google Translate, but only partially for what Google Translate makes of it.
But I am certainly not responsible for how these words are received by the reader and what they trigger in him.

You posted the words. You are responsible for them.