Firmware 4.23.15548

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Alternately, you could put it up next to Sort and Filter.

Ah. I rarely use the cover view, so was looking at the list view. There is space on the cover view there, but, it means the lists would be inconsistent. Which can be a bad thing.

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by davidfor

Ah. I rarely use the cover view, so was looking at the list view. There is space on the cover view there, but, it means the lists would be inconsistent. Which can be a bad thing.

TBF they already are inconsistent, look at Authors vs any of the rest. Features are missing, and the GUI is mildly different even outside of those features being absent.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

Which you have not done.

i see, so you honestly think my wording of (i've just found out) makes it sound like it's a new feature that Kobo just added? if so i couldn't disagree more.

i'm not sure how you made the leap from (i've just found out) to translating that as meaning a brand new hot off the press Kobo feature. that being said i will amend it slightly to clear up anymore possible future confusion.
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No. Your wording was that it was a new feature that YOU had just discovered and nobody had seen before.

And for the record, it is a new feature Kobo had added in the previous version of the firmware. It is new, less than two weeks old at this point, but it had been mentioned a few times including to you in this discussion.



Which is not something I have commented on at all.[/QUOTE]

i corrected my error by editing it before you or anyone else pointed out to me. you took the meaning of (i've found out) not as i intended it to read. granted on our exchange earlier it took me rather a long time before i realised what you was referring to.

having looked at it again i agree with the benefit of hindsight it would have been better if i'd read it back when i first posted it, because if i had done so i would have changed it to (i've found out while using the UI) there and then rather than after you or someone else pointed it out.

best wishes koboy

[koboy]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

Indeed, like how you insist you've learned to read threads better and yet skipped over my reply to your initial questioning of that response.

Not that I'm surprised, as you've noted six some odd years of experience have shown me what to expect from your posts.

say what you like about me. at least i'm not the one who accuses someone of making false claims that they can't provide evidence for, that's not a very smart/wise thing to do.

best wishes koboy

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

TBF they already are inconsistent, look at Authors vs any of the rest. Features are missing, and the GUI is mildly different even outside of those features being absent.

I'm not sure how. In another post you said something about "sort options in a non-fat pill selection" which seemed to imply that it was different on the Authors list. The "pill selection" means you have selected an option other than the default. I'm guessing that you have the Author tab sorted by "Last name", which is the default. If I choose "Number of books", it is highlighted in the same way as selecting that on the collections list.

The other difference I can see is the menu at the top right of the list. The Author list doesn't have it. I assume Kobo left it off because there isn't anything specific to the Authors list. They don't have a cover view or anything like that. I've actually commented to Kobo about that as I feel that if the "Manage books" and "Manage downloads" menu items are on the Series tab, they should also be on the Authors tab.

There is room for the page number on that line. Probably immediately to the left of the menu. It is about the only place it can go and be fairly consistent. But, there is some thing about it that I just don't like. Maybe that it would be mixing menu items with changing information on the same line.

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

I'm not sure how. In another post you said something about "sort options in a non-fat pill selection" which seemed to imply that it was different on the Authors list. The "pill selection" means you have selected an option other than the default. I'm guessing that you have the Author tab sorted by "Last name", which is the default. If I choose "Number of books", it is highlighted in the same way as selecting that on the collections list.

The other difference I can see is the menu at the top right of the list. The Author list doesn't have it. I assume Kobo left it off because there isn't anything specific to the Authors list. They don't have a cover view or anything like that. I've actually commented to Kobo about that as I feel that if the "Manage books" and "Manage downloads" menu items are on the Series tab, they should also be on the Authors tab.

There is room for the page number on that line. Probably immediately to the left of the menu. It is about the only place it can go and be fairly consistent. But, there is some thing about it that I just don't like. Maybe that it would be mixing menu items with changing information on the same line.

do you know the reason why collections doesn't have sort by recent? i know books and authors consistently have done so, i'm not sure if series can be sorted by recent because i don't use it.

best wishes koboy

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

i corrected my error by editing it before you or anyone else pointed out to me. you took the meaning of (i've found out) not as i intended it to read. granted on our exchange earlier it took me rather a long time before i realised what you was referring to.

having looked at it again i agree with the benefit of hindsight it would have been better if i'd read it back when i first posted it, because if i had done so i would have changed it to (i've found out while using the UI) there and then rather than after you or someone else pointed it out.

And yet you still miss my point. Your post made it clear that you had just found the function. A function that had been mentioned several times in this and other threads. Threads that you are an active participant of. It demonstrated to me that you weren't paying attention to other posters.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

do you know the reason why collections doesn't have sort by recent? i know books and authors consistently have done so, i'm not sure if series can be sorted by recent because i don't use it.

Series can be sorted by Recent. I don't know why Recent isn't there for collections. But, what exactly does "Recent" mean for the collections list?

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

And yet you still miss my point. Your post made it clear that you had just found the function. A function that had been mentioned several times in this and other threads. Threads that you are an active participant of. It demonstrated to me that you weren't paying attention to other posters.

as you will know i've been using the old 3.16.0 firmware since it was released 5 years ago. it allows me to put up to 12 collections on the home screen. you also will know the new home screen allows only 1 collection.

it's only over the last week while i've been using the new firmware and trying to sort collections by recent, reasoning being because as i've already said it only allows one on the home screen, that i realised it doesn't have that feature. i hadn't noticed it doesn't have it on 3.16.0 because i was looking for it.

the comments by posters i've been apart of regarding collections being sorted by recent. have either told me they don't see the need for it or they use search instead. that doesn't tell me why it's not an option when it is on the others.

please explain to me why it appears/seems to be an unforgivable crime not to have read and know every single comment/post. all i just did was ask you a polite straight forward question. if you don't want to answer/reply that's fine i understand, but i fail to see the need for any animosity or hostility.

best wishes koboy

[koboy]

Originally Posted by davidfor

Series can be sorted by Recent. I don't know why Recent isn't there for collections. But, what exactly does "Recent" mean for the collections list?

recent would show at the top of the list the last 10 or so collections i'd most recently accessed. it would be a workable way around/substitute for not being able to have them on the home screen like i can on the old tiled home screen.

best wishes koboy

[MGlitch]

Originally Posted by davidfor

I'm not sure how. In another post you said something about "sort options in a non-fat pill selection" which seemed to imply that it was different on the Authors list. The "pill selection" means you have selected an option other than the default. I'm guessing that you have the Author tab sorted by "Last name", which is the default. If I choose "Number of books", it is highlighted in the same way as selecting that on the collections list.

So yes, once I switched Authors to last name, the highlight went away. Nice to know, though I tend not to use the Authors tab anyway. Which probably explains why it was on the default options. Aside from that the only difference in that area is with Books having a filter option but I can understand how the options there would be problematic for authors, series, and collections so it makes sense to leave that as solely a "Books" option.

The other difference I can see is the menu at the top right of the list. The Author list doesn't have it. I assume Kobo left it off because there isn't anything specific to the Authors list. They don't have a cover view or anything like that. I've actually commented to Kobo about that as I feel that if the "Manage books" and "Manage downloads" menu items are on the Series tab, they should also be on the Authors tab.

Yes, this is something I had also mentioned briefly. Authors is the only tab that lacks this menu and it seems odd that it would. It also seems odd it would lack a cover view or covers in list view, not that I'd fight for it to be added to Authors or to Collections.

There is room for the page number on that line. Probably immediately to the left of the menu. It is about the only place it can go and be fairly consistent. But, there is some thing about it that I just don't like. Maybe that it would be mixing menu items with changing information on the same line.

Agreed, the placement there only works in the sense of space, but not in the sense of any kind of good UI/UX. It'd be off center, with no real indication that it applied to the pages of the collection. Sure it wouldn't be terribly hard to figure out, but it wouldn't be obvious for the average user. Also it'd just look bad IMO.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by MGlitch

Agreed, the placement there only works in the sense of space, but not in the sense of any kind of good UI/UX. It'd be off center, with no real indication that it applied to the pages of the collection. Sure it wouldn't be terribly hard to figure out, but it wouldn't be obvious for the average user. Also it'd just look bad IMO.

I've always been surprised at how little people here explore the UI. In the past, there have been a lot of complaints about having to swipe through the pages to get somewhere. I used to have to post about anything in italics was usually something that had an action behind it. Unfortunately, that isn't as true now. I generally think the interface is obvious, but, I'm also willing to tap things until something happens.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by koboy

recent would show at the top of the list the last 10 or so collections i'd most recently accessed. it would be a workable way around/substitute for not being able to have them on the home screen like i can on the old tiled home screen.

And what does "recently accessed" mean? Seriously, I don't know what it means. What I would think it means, doesn't agree with how collections were put on the old tiled screen. And doesn't agree with the meaning of Recent on the other tabs.

[geek1011]

Originally Posted by davidfor

I've always been surprised at how little people here explore the UI. In the past, there have been a lot of complaints about having to swipe through the pages to get somewhere. I used to have to post about anything in italics was usually something that had an action behind it. Unfortunately, that isn't as true now. I generally think the interface is obvious, but, I'm also willing to tap things until something happens.

I'd consider it obvious too, but that's partly because I work on the patches and write code in general. But, I've seen non-technical people miss the sort/filter chips at the top, the long-press menu on books on the home screen, and other things like that.

[geek1011]

Originally Posted by davidfor

And what does "recently accessed" mean? Seriously, I don't know what it means. What I would think it means, doesn't agree with how collections were put on the old tiled screen. And doesn't agree with the meaning of Recent on the other tabs.

I would say it means the last one you open a book from (directly from the collection list), but that would end up being as annoying as it is useful in the same way as the old homescreen.

IMO, a better option would to be able to pin certain collections to the top of the list. But, at least for me, I don't have enough collections for this to be of any real use (I usually have ~5-15 collections at a time, and I use them as tags rather than as a way to open books I'm reading).