Plugin Updater

BetterRed · 12-17-2017, 06:40 PM

Every time a plugin is updated the user must once again select the toolbars and menus in which the plugin is required, or in which it is not required.

Would it be possible for plugins to retain what's already there. Similar to what the calibre Windows install does with install location, Start Menu and Desktop shortcuts. and adding calibre to the PATH environment variable - set and forget.

I'm hoping this could be done globally, i.e within the code shared by all plugins - if not, then double Ψ²

BR

kovidgoyal · 12-17-2017, 07:44 PM

As far as I know, updating plugins does not require you to reset their plugins/toolbars. Only uninstalling and re-installing would do that.

BetterRed · 12-17-2017, 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kovidgoyal

As far as I know, updating plugins does not require you to reset their plugins/toolbars. Only uninstalling and re-installing would do that.

I don't have any tools or plugins in toolbars or in menu bars**. I use keyboard shortcuts wherever I can, otherwise everything is in the context menus, or in the Favourites Menu (which is in the context menus).

Whenever I update a plugin, I have to unselect it from its default selections (usually main & main with device toolbars). Irritating to have to do that every time and if I forget or miskey the dialogue I then I have to remove the icons from those toolbars.

** I have Preferences in the main menu, but only because I can't not have it. Ctrl+P is plenty good enough for me

Next time I get a PI update notification I'll post screen shots - I'm pretty sure it happens on any PI. There's a change in wind for Modify so shouldn't be long.

- maybe it only happens because I always deselect the defaults - more or less on principle

BR

Terisa de morgan · 12-18-2017, 12:07 AM

BetterRed, it does not happen with all the plugins. I don't know the difference but...

BetterRed · 12-18-2017, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

BetterRed, it does not happen with all the plugins. I don't know the difference but...

Thanks TdeM, so it is inconsistent - I wondered about that!

Can you name one of PIs where the original selection sticks. Preferably one I don't use - see attachment.

It may not be relevant, but I remove the defaults at initial install time, and add to Context or Favourites menu after the install restart, so that I can explicitly set the position -- to minimise arrow key presses, the most often used are close to top or bottom, and least often are in the middle

:

I guess most folks blithely accept the defaults.

BR

Terisa de morgan · 12-18-2017, 03:49 AM

I have Kobo Utilities (that I update), Goodreads_Sync and so on, and none of them asks for it (Kobo Utilities is at the toolbar, but Goodreads_Sync is at context or Favorites). EPubSplit, however, asks the location, yes (that's the exception for me).

BetterRed · 12-18-2017, 05:06 AM

I'm not inclined to install GR Synch (don't have an account), nor do I have or want a Kobo.

But, if the PIs don't have a uniform behaviour, that suggests that this aspect of PI updating is not handled by a single set of shared functions. In which case my wish to have all PI's conform to a single behaviour is probably not worth pursuing - herding cats and all that. San Fairy Anne.

BR

Terisa de morgan · 12-18-2017, 05:21 AM

I accept than I'm quite tolerant with that kind of behavior, I accept the plugin as I am... unless I modify them for myself, of course

Terisa de morgan · 12-18-2017, 05:21 AM

BTW, I don't remember Overdrive behaving in that way either, although that I have it in the menu.

theducks · 12-18-2017, 01:20 PM

I only remember some asking (w/suggestions) what toolbar (I use Menu, Top and Second) upon initial install.
IIRC un-installing the PI and later installation, the Icons land again, at their old places.

JSWolf · 12-18-2017, 02:12 PM

I've never had to put the icon(s) back where they were when I updated any plugin. The only time I've had to setup the icon(s) is when initially installing the plugin.

BetterRed, are you uninstalling the plugin and then installing again to update?

Terisa de morgan · 12-18-2017, 04:05 PM

It is not necessary. EpubSplit asks every time you update it.

theducks · 12-18-2017, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I've never had to put the icon(s) back where they were when I updated any plugin. The only time I've had to setup the icon(s) is when initially installing the plugin.

BetterRed, are you uninstalling the plugin and then installing again to update?

Just to avoid confusion.
It remembers where they were, not put them in the default location.

DoctorOhh · 12-18-2017, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Terisa de morgan

It is not necessary. EpubSplit asks every time you update it.

It has been a long time since I had a plugin ask to select menu location. Epub split updated 2 weeks ago and I don't recall it asking. If it did maybe I simply ignored or closed the dialog because I knew the menu location would not change. All I know for certain is I did not have to choose the location again for epub split.

theducks · 12-18-2017, 11:06 PM

Devs: What is the trigger to ask (what is detected to bypass the question)
Maybe the PI has not ever been configured (or the config folder/plugins entry deleted)

12-17-2017, 06:40 PM	#1
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 22,018 Karma: 30277294 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	Plugin Updater Every time a plugin is updated the user must once again select the toolbars and menus in which the plugin is required, or in which it is not required. Would it be possible for plugins to retain what's already there. Similar to what the calibre Windows install does with install location, Start Menu and Desktop shortcuts. and adding calibre to the PATH environment variable - set and forget. I'm hoping this could be done globally, i.e within the code shared by all plugins - if not, then double Ψ² BR

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12-17-2017, 07:44 PM	#2
kovidgoyal creator of calibre Posts: 45,609 Karma: 28549044 Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Mumbai, India Device: Various	As far as I know, updating plugins does not require you to reset their plugins/toolbars. Only uninstalling and re-installing would do that.

12-18-2017, 12:07 AM	#4
Terisa de morgan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,686 Karma: 12595249 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Device: Kobo Clara/Aura One/Forma,XiaoMI 5, iPad, Huawei MediaPad, YotaPhone 2	BetterRed, it does not happen with all the plugins. I don't know the difference but...

12-18-2017, 03:49 AM	#6
Terisa de morgan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,686 Karma: 12595249 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Device: Kobo Clara/Aura One/Forma,XiaoMI 5, iPad, Huawei MediaPad, YotaPhone 2	I have Kobo Utilities (that I update), Goodreads_Sync and so on, and none of them asks for it (Kobo Utilities is at the toolbar, but Goodreads_Sync is at context or Favorites). EPubSplit, however, asks the location, yes (that's the exception for me).

12-18-2017, 05:06 AM	#7
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 22,018 Karma: 30277294 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	I'm not inclined to install GR Synch (don't have an account), nor do I have or want a Kobo. But, if the PIs don't have a uniform behaviour, that suggests that this aspect of PI updating is not handled by a single set of shared functions. In which case my wish to have all PI's conform to a single behaviour is probably not worth pursuing - herding cats and all that. San Fairy Anne. BR

12-18-2017, 05:21 AM	#8
Terisa de morgan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,686 Karma: 12595249 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Device: Kobo Clara/Aura One/Forma,XiaoMI 5, iPad, Huawei MediaPad, YotaPhone 2	I accept than I'm quite tolerant with that kind of behavior, I accept the plugin as I am... unless I modify them for myself, of course

12-18-2017, 01:20 PM	#10
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,267 Karma: 61916422 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	I only remember some asking (w/suggestions) what toolbar (I use Menu, Top and Second) upon initial install. IIRC un-installing the PI and later installation, the Icons land again, at their old places.

12-18-2017, 02:12 PM	#11
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,782 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I've never had to put the icon(s) back where they were when I updated any plugin. The only time I've had to setup the icon(s) is when initially installing the plugin. BetterRed, are you uninstalling the plugin and then installing again to update?

12-18-2017, 04:05 PM	#12
Terisa de morgan Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,686 Karma: 12595249 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Madrid, Spain Device: Kobo Clara/Aura One/Forma,XiaoMI 5, iPad, Huawei MediaPad, YotaPhone 2	It is not necessary. EpubSplit asks every time you update it.

12-18-2017, 11:06 PM	#15
theducks Well trained by Cats Posts: 31,267 Karma: 61916422 Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Central Coast of California Device: Kobo Libra2,Kobo Aura2v1, K4NT(Fixed: New Bat.), Galaxy Tab A	Devs: What is the trigger to ask (what is detected to bypass the question) Maybe the PI has not ever been configured (or the config folder/plugins entry deleted)