Will e-book readers make your library obsolete? - Page 11

yvanleterrible · 02-18-2009, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Perfect!!!! Especially toilet paper......think of the poor trees that died so that we could wipe our.......our....so that we could be clean!!!

BOYCOTT TOILET PAPER!!!

You tell em! Go girl!

Bunch of ninnies!

lilac_jive · 02-18-2009, 09:38 PM

Before toilet paper, people used Sears (I think it was Sears) catalogues to wipe their booties. Then they switched to glossy, and all hell broke loose. Then toilet paper was born! So we can blame it on Sears.

Man, you can find the weirdest stuff in latrine pits. Don't ask me how I know that.

yvanleterrible · 02-18-2009, 09:43 PM

Latrines of yesteryears are the scientific grounds of archeologists and the repositories of numerous finds.

Boycott toilet paper!

lilac_jive · 02-18-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

Latrines of yesteryears are the scientific grounds of archeologists and the repositories of numerous finds.

Boycott toilet paper!

I know. Intimately.

I found shag carpet, heroin bottles (the old kind, when it was legal), a ladies shoe, an axe (minus the handle), broken dishes, snuff bottles, etc.

yvanleterrible · 02-18-2009, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by lilac_jive

I know. Intimately.

I found shag carpet, heroin bottles (the old kind, when it was legal), a ladies shoe, an axe (minus the handle), broken dishes, snuff bottles, etc.

There was no garbage collection then. Anything that could not burn went with... well.. the unburnables!

Boycot toilet paper!

lilac_jive · 02-18-2009, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

There was no garbage collection then. Anything that could not burn went with... well.. the unburnables!

Boycot toilet paper!

I have to say, as an archaeologist, they couldn't have made it easier

elainevdw · 02-18-2009, 11:32 PM

I don't know about print going obsolete -- but I do worry about the price of printed books skyrocketing. When enough people start buying ebooks rather than the print versions, demand for the print versions will decrease, and therefore there will be smaller print runs. The smaller the print run, the more expensive it is. I see print books becoming a luxury item, and those cheapo grocery store paperback genre books simply ceasing to exist altogether as people download the even cheaper ebook versions instead.

It's kind of fitting, in a way. Back before the printing press, books were highly coveted and unique works of art. Maybe that's the state they'll ultimately return to. Maybe, someday, the most anticipated ebooks will have a limited number of printed versions, which will be numbered and autographed by the author -- kind of like high quality art reproductions.

GeoffC · 02-19-2009, 06:06 AM

I am glad you used the word "hopefully", to start your message Kaz, seems you may also slightly agree. Electricity is the power that keeps us connected, and is very much one of the perceived needs of life. But unlike water, oxygen and basic foodstuffs, it is a modern 'need'.

Sweetpea · 02-19-2009, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by recycledelectron

Gutenberg tried to make his printed books look like hand written manuscripts, so they could reside next to the hand written manuscripts of the time.

We are trying to make our ebooks more paper like so they can be accepted along side the paper books of today.

There's a parallel here.

The only downsides to ebooks are: (1) ridiculous DRM that forbids me from selling used books, and (2) possible failure during (for example) power outages.

I said possible, not probable.

Andy

Everybody should have a solar-powered charger at home. Those things become better and better. I have one at home that will charge up to 8 AA batteries or I could connect it to my appliance by way of a connector.

When you're going camping for 3 weeks, and you're going by bike, something like that is very helpful to keep your mobile phone running

GeoffC · 02-19-2009, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Everybody should have a solar-powered charger at home. Those things become better and better. I have one at home that will charge up to 8 AA batteries or I could connect it to my appliance by way of a connector.

When you're going camping for 3 weeks, and you're going by bike, something like that is very helpful to keep your mobile phone running

Sheesh kebabs and hot potatoes, can't anyone cope without a mobile phone !!!!!

mjh215 · 02-19-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by yvanleterrible

How can you find a clear conscience? It is still unethical you know, even if you did get rid of the dead tree body!

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Half of kitchens are done in melamine. Bleah!

That is better then all the people that have to have hardwood cabinets just to paint. I think Dante reserved a special place for them...

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My favorite is still artsy home furniture, even if China has choked the market.

Have you seen half of the imports from China? I saw this stuff all the time at the auctions. Even if they didn't look like badly made knockoffs to begin with after a few months the wood starts splitting and joints fail cause they do a fast kiln drying and don't even let the wood settle before milling it. Sadly people ate it up, especially the gaudier pieces like gilted marble top side tables and such...

-MJ

yvanleterrible · 02-19-2009, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by mjh215

That is better then all the people that have to have hardwood cabinets just to paint. I think Dante reserved a special place for them...

Have you seen half of the imports from China? I saw this stuff all the time at the auctions. Even if they didn't look like badly made knockoffs to begin with after a few months the wood starts splitting and joints fail cause they do a fast kiln drying and don't even let the wood settle before milling it. Sadly people ate it up, especially the gaudier pieces like gilted marble top side tables and such...

-MJ

Consumerism is a trap on many levels.

Got to go to work!

Polyglot27 · 02-19-2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MsAstoria

I agree with the general consensus here, E-readers are not the same as books. Books often have pictures which aren't in e-books and have a certain "sensual" value to them. They can also increase in value which e-books don't. You can't get the visual satisfaction from a e-book like from a "real" book, for example, an atlas with maps or reference materials with drawings.
On the other hand, you can't beat the convenience and portability of an e-reader! Mine goes everywhere with me and it's so cool to be able to download today's news stories or pick up where I left off last night in my thriller book, any time, anywhere.
So my vote is that both can co-exist and compliment each other quite nicely in my world.

MsAstoria you have summed up very nicely the main argument of why eBooks and pBooks can and should coexist. Most, if not all the books on my shelves now are non-fiction and reference books. I am slowly getting rid of the old classics in paper whenever I find a eBook version.
Ebook readers also have some way to go before they can replace pBooks in convenience such as the possibility for word searches and proper display of diagrams and pictures.
So I'll be using my eBook reader for reading and rereading the classics in French and English but I'll have to hang on to my library of Chinese and Japanese pBooks, not to mention all the non-fiction.

Steven Lyle Jordan · 02-19-2009, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by mjh215

A message to any of you lot that despise keeping dead-tree copies on your shelves. If you have antiquarian or nicely bound editions, Easton Press, Franklin Library, Folio Society, Arkham House, etc. I would gladly send you my address to ship them to... No I can't afford to purchase them at present, but I would certainly be happy providing you with a nice disposal service for those unwanted texts.

Sorry... mostly cheap raggedy paperbacks.

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Originally Posted by elainevdw

I don't know about print going obsolete -- but I do worry about the price of printed books skyrocketing.

I expect this, too. Printed books (and possibly higher quality non-subscription magazines) will become boutique items, great for special gifts, while most reading will happen on a screen of some sort.

Robbeli · 02-19-2009, 11:50 AM

Ebookreaders will probably make fiction pBooks obsolete. Usually I give them away after reading them. And my Sony makes a perfect holiday companion. But I will keep the books I own now. I cannot immagine replacing those beatiful books like "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald Knuth.

But actually you should count me out. I stiil have my LP records (and play them).

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Yes, happily so. It's called progress.	178	60.14%
Yes, unfortunately. The trend is unavoidable.	23	7.77%
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02-18-2009, 09:38 PM	#152
lilac_jive Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,870 Karma: 27376 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Pennsylvania Device: PRS-505	Before toilet paper, people used Sears (I think it was Sears) catalogues to wipe their booties. Then they switched to glossy, and all hell broke loose. Then toilet paper was born! So we can blame it on Sears. Man, you can find the weirdest stuff in latrine pits. Don't ask me how I know that.

02-18-2009, 09:43 PM	#153
yvanleterrible Reborn Paper User Posts: 8,616 Karma: 15446734 Join Date: May 2006 Location: Que Nada Device: iPhone8, iPad Air	Latrines of yesteryears are the scientific grounds of archeologists and the repositories of numerous finds. Boycott toilet paper!

02-18-2009, 11:32 PM	#157
elainevdw Member Posts: 22 Karma: 18 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Reno, NV, USA Device: Kindle 2	I don't know about print going obsolete -- but I do worry about the price of printed books skyrocketing. When enough people start buying ebooks rather than the print versions, demand for the print versions will decrease, and therefore there will be smaller print runs. The smaller the print run, the more expensive it is. I see print books becoming a luxury item, and those cheapo grocery store paperback genre books simply ceasing to exist altogether as people download the even cheaper ebook versions instead. It's kind of fitting, in a way. Back before the printing press, books were highly coveted and unique works of art. Maybe that's the state they'll ultimately return to. Maybe, someday, the most anticipated ebooks will have a limited number of printed versions, which will be numbered and autographed by the author -- kind of like high quality art reproductions.

02-19-2009, 06:06 AM	#158
GeoffC Chocolate Grasshopper ... Posts: 27,599 Karma: 20821184 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Scotland Device: Muse HD , Cybook Gen3 , Pocketbook 302 (Black) , Nexus 10: wife has PW	I am glad you used the word "hopefully", to start your message Kaz, seems you may also slightly agree. Electricity is the power that keeps us connected, and is very much one of the perceived needs of life. But unlike water, oxygen and basic foodstuffs, it is a modern 'need'.

02-19-2009, 11:50 AM	#165
Robbeli E-ventually Posts: 12 Karma: 110 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The Hague, Netherlands Device: Sony PRS-700 + iRex iLiad	Ebookreaders will probably make fiction pBooks obsolete. Usually I give them away after reading them. And my Sony makes a perfect holiday companion. But I will keep the books I own now. I cannot immagine replacing those beatiful books like "The Art of Computer Programming" by Donald Knuth. But actually you should count me out. I stiil have my LP records (and play them).