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[Tex2002ans]

Originally Posted by Hitch

I'm only partly sure that I got the joke with the lists. I think so, but...I never know with your sense of humor.

I was trying to get the numbered [LIST] to START at 4, but I couldn't figure it out. So the numbers didn't match up with the hardcoded list. Perfect example of a "bug".

Doesn't some old versions of ADE also have that bug where the ordered lists wouldn't count properly? Or am I just going crazy?

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

I was trying to get the numbered [LIST] to START at 4, but I couldn't figure it out. So the numbers didn't match up with the hardcoded list. Perfect example of a "bug".

Doesn't some old versions of ADE also have that bug where the ordered lists wouldn't count properly? Or am I just going crazy?

Whaddya mean, "old" versions? I haven't looked into it specifically lately, but last I did, we still had to manually code numbered list entries if they started somewhere other than "1." (Ha! I did get the joke. good!).

Hitch

[Freeshadow]

@ Tex:

Re quotes: in Polish, direct speech may be not only be enclosed by quot. marks, the use of dashes is legit too. So much for a single "hard coded" quot class.

That sarmatformat is the ebook equivalent of Esperanto: An enthusiastic outsider has a well meant rough draft idea, alas no practical or even theoretical knowledge for smooth and polishing. (Zamenhof was a medic, no linguist)

re roman numerals: what if the reader prefers vi?

@ Hitch

Mary Magdalene was a redhead too you could apply for the job.

[eschwartz]

@Freeshadow, the format doesn't support vi -- only vim (via a plugin).

But honestly, you're better off with emacs, it's a much better browser + it's supported in the base install (right underneath the games).

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by Freeshadow

@ Tex:

Re quotes: in Polish, direct speech may be not only be enclosed by quot. marks, the use of dashes is legit too. So much for a single "hard coded" quot class.

That sarmatformat is the ebook equivalent of Esperanto: An enthusiastic outsider has a well meant rough draft idea, alas no practical or even theoretical knowledge for smooth and polishing. (Zamenhof was a medic, no linguist)

re roman numerals: what if the reader prefers vi?

@ Hitch

Mary Magdalene was a redhead too you could apply for the job.

HA. What makes you think I'm a redhead? Although, hell, a box of color, and...kablammmo! Instant-redhead.

Hitch

[Freeshadow]

Methinks you once said you were...

[Tex2002ans]

Originally Posted by Freeshadow

Re quotes: in Polish, direct speech may be not only be enclosed by quot. marks, the use of dashes is legit too. So much for a single "hard coded" quot class.

Yeah, I remember I looked it up way back when doing some research on Wikipedia and pointed Toxaris to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quotat..._all_languages

You pretty much have every single variation in the book: symbols, backwards symbols, upside down symbols, flipped, not flipped.

Originally Posted by Hitch

Whaddya mean, "old" versions? I haven't looked into it specifically lately, but last I did, we still had to manually code numbered list entries if they started somewhere other than "1."

My brain is doing no goods. I forgot if that bug was Old/New ADE (and I haven't tested it in years either). All I know is that many of us decided to hardcode lists long ago because of that gods damn counting bug.

Was I thinking of the bug with the double digit numbers getting chopped off in <ol>? Or did that one not get fixed yet either?

Originally Posted by Hitch

(Ha! I did get the joke. good!).

I like to make myself chuckle.

[Jellby]

Originally Posted by Tex2002ans

You pretty much have every single variation in the book: symbols, backwards symbols, upside down symbols, flipped, not flipped.

And even in the same language and style, you get different variants. I've seen English books using double quotes for direct speech, single quotes for other uses (in addition to double-single alternation for different levels), and punctuation inside quotes for direct speech, outside for other uses. So, an attribute should be added to the <q>, or a new tag added.

Regarding the "continuation" quote marks (when a quoted block takes several paragraphs), since tags must be properly nested, one cannot have:

<p>He said: <q>Lorem ipsum.</p>
<p>Dolor sit amet.</q></p>

because the <q> is not closed within the surrounding <p>. Instead, we should have something like:

<p>He said: <q type="continued">Lorem ipsum.</q></p>
<p><q type="continuation">Dolor sit amet.</q></p>

[Notjohn]

Perhaps not, but one can write write:

<p>He said: &ldquo;Lorem ipsum.</p>
<p>&ldquo;Dolor sit amet.&rdquo;</p>

Which is how it should appear. (The absence of a close-quote at the end of the first line is not merely a "convention." It's a rule of good book-making.)

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by Notjohn

Which is how it should appear. (The absence of a close-quote at the end of the first line is not merely a "convention." It's a rule of good book-making.)

Nope. It's a convention. One that has changed in the past and will very likely change again in the future. Typography has never been static and/or definitive. It has always been governed by various (and differing) conventions.

[Toxaris]

Originally Posted by Freeshadow

Methinks you once said you were...

Psst, after this thread it is mostly grey I think...

[Freeshadow]

Redheads don't turn grey. They turn blonde

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by Freeshadow

Methinks you once said you were...

You are probably right. And, 'tis--or was, rather--true.

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Nope. It's a convention. One that has changed in the past and will very likely change again in the future. Typography has never been static and/or definitive. It has always been governed by various (and differing) conventions.

That's exactly right. Conventions do change. Those have little to do with "good bookmaking," per se. I mean, 60-70 characters on a line--that's good bookmaking. 120 characters on a line, = bad bookmaking. But for something like that, you can see that the soliloquy rule, as I call it, that is a real convention. I've seen editors--I'm not making this up--mark multiple-paragraph layout with the closing quote solely at the end as "wrong." That always gets my back up, but...whatev. I'm assuming that this will go the way of the dodo, alack and alas.

Originally Posted by Toxaris

Psst, after this thread it is mostly grey I think...

It certainly hasn't HELPED, that's fer damn sure. :-)

Originally Posted by Freeshadow

Redheads don't turn grey. They turn blonde

Well, various redheads go different ways. My sister and I both went "brown." From auburn heads, we both ended up with a color I call (in polite company) "crap Irish brown." (you can imagine for yourself what the first word is when not in same). My aunt went to an oddball strawberry-blonde color, which was indeed a blonde-ish-coppery-color. I don't think you could emulate it out of the box. She gave up and went with a golden-blonde color (oui, from the salon, not mother nature).

Aging red hair just...does things you don't expect. (For those few of you who still have aging in front of you!). My red strands that turned grey, turned a silver-white, which was groovy, right up to the point that I realized--gasp--it is also curly as hell. Which would also be fine if the rest of my head was covered with curly hair--which it isn't. It's straight as a stick, thick, and quite long (the ends tickle the top of my glute muscles, ahem!). THAT's been a real surprise. How, after all, can you have two completely DIFFERENT types of hair on one's head? Not merely a different color--no, that would be too easy. But it's as though two different sets of DNA are living inside my damn scalp. For ****'s sake!

Aging begrudgingly gracefully into a crone silver-haired goddess,
Hitch

[Turtle91]

Originally Posted by Hitch

Aging begrudgingly gracefully into a crone silver-haired goddess,
Hitch

But....But.....But......

The front page of your website has a picture of you...it even says "Who are we? We're Booknook.biz. We're here to help." Please don't tell me that you DON'T have a perfectly clean desk, aren't perfectly coiffed, without a big friendly smile!!!

[AnemicOak]

Originally Posted by Turtle91

But....But.....But......

The front page of your website has a picture of you...it even says "Who are we? We're Booknook.biz. We're here to help." Please don't tell me that you DON'T have a perfectly clean desk, aren't perfectly coiffed, without a big friendly smile!!!

That's her clone.