Paperwhite 3, Glo HD or Aura H2O?

[aceflor]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Completely not part of the original topic, but what about U and V? Considering the U is a relatively new addition too... And why isn't the W "double V" instead of a "double U"?

Interesting... W is pronounced totally differently to V in German, and is double V in French and in Spanish. BMW for example.... In French you will shorten it to BM, in Spanish to BMV. I did say BMW once or twice in Spain, but stopped quickly since they were all in bits...

And yes, sorry for the .

[Josieb1]

Originally Posted by soulfuldog

Pocket integration is just Kobo's answer to the send to Kindle feature, so not really anything of note.

I disagree, Pocket is nothing like Send to Kindle, sorry but I used both services for years. Long before ebooks actually.

With Pocket you simply save a webpage link to read in Pocket later, I have links from 2012 I still haven't read.

For Send to Kindle you would need to save the text from the web page onto a word doc then email it to your kindle, and using a pc or laptop as Send to Kindle is a Desktop program.

Pocket links can be saved on any device including my iPhone, iPad and other tablets.

[meeera]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

I disagree, Pocket is nothing like Send to Kindle, sorry but I used both services for years. Long before ebooks actually.

With Pocket you simply save a webpage link to read in Pocket later, I have links from 2012 I still haven't read.

For Send to Kindle you would need to save the text from the web page onto a word doc then email it to your kindle, and using a pc or laptop as Send to Kindle is a Desktop program.

You can get Send to Kindle browser add-ons/bookmarklets to save that middle step.

[Josieb1]

Originally Posted by meeera

You can get Send to Kindle browser add-ons/bookmarklets to save that middle step.

I wasn't aware of that, my apologies, I've used Pocket for so long I've never looked for an alternative. I would always have a kobo device just for pocket.

[soulfuldog]

See this thread PW2 or Aura, and in particular aceflor's responses as someone who has used both Pocket and Send to Kindle. So no, not an essential feature of one over the other.

[aceflor]

Originally Posted by soulfuldog

See this thread PW2 or Aura, and in particular aceflor's responses as someone who has used both Pocket and Send to Kindle. So no, not an essential feature of one over the other.

Oh gosh, was I in a bad temper that day... but yeah, Send to Kindle does exactly the same as Pocket in terms of connection with an e-reader, which is send an article or text to your device.

[Josieb1]

Originally Posted by soulfuldog

See this thread PW2 or Aura, and in particular aceflor's responses as someone who has used both Pocket and Send to Kindle. So no, not an essential feature of one over the other.

Thank you for the link but after reading through it Pocket is so much simpler for me to use.

[aceflor]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

Thank you for the link but after reading through it Pocket is so much simpler for me to use.

Josie, Send to Kindle is now a Firefox addon, so it works exactly as Pocket does. You click on the button and there goes your article, webpage or whatever directly to your kindle. Of course, Send to Kindle works also as an app and if you right click on the file you want to send and choose Send to Kindle, the file (mobi, azw3, pdf, txt, rtf..) will be sent to your Kindle. It is very very very simple.

[DaleDe]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Completely not part of the original topic, but what about U and V? Considering the U is a relatively new addition too... And why isn't the W "double V" instead of a "double U"?

Ah, well handwriting caused this particular problem. Originally the glyphs for U and V were reversed from what they are now. They got switched after the W was added to the alphabet which is why it is still called double u.

When handwriting became more popular it was deemed that the u was written much more often than the v, after all it was a vowel. The flowing of handwriting as apposed to printing was much easier to make a flowing u in a word than a v so the powers that be switched the glyphs for the two letters. This happened in the late 17th or more likely the early 18th century. (I am sure it took a while to switch.) Existing printing including the KJV bible had to be reprinted to conform to the new convention. This is all part of the transition from middle English to modern English. You can still find early works where the letter glyphs are reversed. I usually reverse them to modern usage when making an eBook from these early sources as well as fixing the long flowing S that looks like a f from the same time period.

Dale

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by DaleDe

Ah, well handwriting caused this particular problem. Originally the glyphs for U and V were reversed from what they are now. They got switched after the W was added to the alphabet which is why it is still called double u.

When handwriting became more popular it was deemed that the u was written much more often than the v, after all it was a vowel. The flowing of handwriting as apposed to printing was much easier to make a flowing u in a word than a v so the powers that be switched the glyphs for the two letters. This happened in the late 17th or more likely the early 18th century. (I am sure it took a while to switch.) Existing printing including the KJV bible had to be reprinted to conform to the new convention. This is all part of the transition from middle English to modern English. You can still find early works where the letter glyphs are reversed. I usually reverse them to modern usage when making an eBook from these early sources as well as fixing the long flowing S that looks like a f from the same time period.

Dale

During the Late Middle Ages, two forms of 'v' developed, which were both used for its ancestor /u/ and modern /v/. The pointed form 'v' was written at the beginning of a word, while a rounded form 'u' was used in the middle or end, regardless of sound. So whereas 'valour' and 'excuse' appeared as in modern printing, 'have' and 'upon' were printed as 'haue' and 'vpon'. The first distinction between the letters 'u' and 'v' is recorded in a Gothic script from 1386, where 'v' preceded 'u'. By the mid-16th century, the 'v' form was used to represent the consonant and 'u' the vowel sound, giving us the modern letter 'u'. Capital 'U' was not accepted as a distinct letter until many years later.

And that's enough OT in this post!

[Percivale]

Hello dear forum members
I have been considering the purchase of my first e reader. It will be either Kindle PW3 or Kobo Aura H2O.
However, I have some doubts about both of these models.

1)I read that Kobo unfortunately has some quirk issue connected with margin settings. I mean quite big bars implemented at the top and at the bottom of the page. The first one shows the title of book whereas the other displays number pages. Both of them cannot be resized and they waste too much space. I would say that the advantageous 0,8 ich is completely wasted. I know that there is a setting which removes both bars, but it leaves no info about page numbers at the bottom. I don’t think it’s very comfortable. I would definitely miss info about read pages. I know that there is some patch that enables to customize the bars. Is it the only solution?

2)My other reservation is connected with compatibility of Kindle Paperwhite 3. I have a collection of books in epub. What about necessary conversions into mobi with Calibre? Are all these conversions flawless without any format changes? Will the output mobi ebooks retain all the source epub formatting?

3) Will I have to convert all epubs to Kobo epub format to be able to customize my epubs the way I want?

I will be very grateful for any comment.

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by Percivale

Hello dear forum members
I have been considering the purchase of my first e reader. It will be either Kindle PW3 or Kobo Aura H2O.
However, I have some doubts about both of these models.

1)I read that Kobo unfortunately has some quirk issue connected with margin settings. I mean quite big bars implemented at the top and at the bottom of the page. The first one shows the title of book whereas the other displays number pages. Both of them cannot be resized and they waste too much space. I would say that the advantageous 0,8 ich is completely wasted. I know that there is a setting which removes both bars, but it leaves no info about page numbers at the bottom. I don’t think it’s very comfortable. I would definitely miss info about read pages. I know that there is some patch that enables to customize the bars. Is it the only solution?

Not margin settings at and definitely not a "quirk". These are design choices of the people creating the reader. And the top is only displayed for kepubs. Yes, I agree they could be made smaller, but I don't think by that much without crowding the screen. The patches are the only way around this.

3) Will I have to convert all epubs to Kobo epub format to be able to customize my epubs the way I want?

Probably not. If you convert to kepub, you get the title displayed and you obviously don't want that. Kobo ereaders do a very good job of interpreting the code in an epub to epub 2 standards. But, as every epub reader application or device interprets the standards differently, or use different defaults, if you have made changes to you epubs to get a look you like, you will probably need to make some changes to achieve the same look when you move to a different application or device.

[dordale]

Originally Posted by Percivale

Hello dear forum members


2)My other reservation is connected with compatibility of Kindle Paperwhite 3. I have a collection of books in epub. What about necessary conversions into mobi with Calibre? Are all these conversions flawless without any format changes? Will the output mobi ebooks retain all the source epub formatting?

If you go the Kindle PW route, I suggest converting to AZW format instead of Mobi with Calibre. I have a Kobo Aura HD and a Kindle Voyage (also have a PW2). I find books converted to AZW format with Calibre to work very well on my Kindles with no loss in formatting. The mobi format is an older format, and as such doesn't support all of the formatting options.

That being said, I think you would be happy with either the H2O of the PW3. Both are great devices. I don't find the margins on the Kobos to be a bother to me. I admit that I'd like to turn the top margin off in kePubs--I don't need to see the name of the book I'm reading on every page. But, it's not that big of an issue--and I like the reading stats that are available with the kePub format.

Good luck with your choice!

[HarryT]

Originally Posted by dordale

If you go the Kindle PW route, I suggest converting to AZW format instead of Mobi with Calibre. I have a Kobo Aura HD and a Kindle Voyage (also have a PW2). I find books converted to AZW format with Calibre to work very well on my Kindles with no loss in formatting. The mobi format is an older format, and as such doesn't support all of the formatting options.

That's "AZW3", also called "KF8" ("Kindle format 8"). Yes, KF8 is a much "richer" format than the older Mobi format. ePub converts seamlessly to KF8.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Percivale

Hello dear forum members
I have been considering the purchase of my first e reader. It will be either Kindle PW3 or Kobo Aura H2O.
However, I have some doubts about both of these models.

1)I read that Kobo unfortunately has some quirk issue connected with margin settings. I mean quite big bars implemented at the top and at the bottom of the page. The first one shows the title of book whereas the other displays number pages. Both of them cannot be resized and they waste too much space. I would say that the advantageous 0,8 ich is completely wasted. I know that there is a setting which removes both bars, but it leaves no info about page numbers at the bottom. I don’t think it’s very comfortable. I would definitely miss info about read pages. I know that there is some patch that enables to customize the bars. Is it the only solution?

One of the reasons I bought the H2O instead of the Voyage was the fact that I find the margins on Kindles way too large. I'm not talking about the top and bottom ones but the left and right ones. The Kobo has more options to decrease the margins there. The smallest options on the Kindle (PW2) I find too large...