Apple iPad Pro announced - Page 7

Canuck_in_Japan · 09-16-2015, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by pwalker8

I believe that the new stylus uses the 3D touch feature instead of a button.

The ipad Pro doesn't have 3D Touch. They need to leave that for the patsies to buy the v2 version.

drofgnal · 09-16-2015, 05:31 AM

Not sure if this has been covered but a usb port for extended memory, via external hard drive or stick would be nice. Then you'd truly have a device that could be used in place of a laptop, not with one.

HarryT · 09-16-2015, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Canuck_in_Japan

The ipad Pro doesn't have 3D Touch. They need to leave that for the patsies to buy the v2 version.

What is "3D touch"? Pressure-sensitive touch?

HarryT · 09-16-2015, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by drofgnal

Not sure if this has been covered but a usb port for extended memory, via external hard drive or stick would be nice. Then you'd truly have a device that could be used in place of a laptop, not with one.

Apple would see Cloud storage as the solution to that, of course.

johnnyb · 09-16-2015, 05:59 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Apple would see Cloud storage as the solution to that, of course.

Great to hear what Apple thinks, thanks!

HarryT · 09-16-2015, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by johnnyb

Great to hear what Apple thinks, thanks!

Sorry, are you agreeing or disagreeing? It's pretty obvious that Apple see Cloud storage as the way to access external storage, not plugging in physical devices. That's why we aren't going to see USB ports on an iPad (other than for specialised uses, such as the camera adapter).

AnemicOak · 09-16-2015, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

What is "3D touch"? Pressure-sensitive touch?

It's the touch implementation on the new iPhone.
http://www.apple.com/iphone-6s/3d-touch/

HarryT · 09-16-2015, 09:45 AM

Thanks!

WillAdams · 09-16-2015, 10:53 AM

I do quite a bit of work using just a stylus --- wrote out the paper for my TUG2003 presentation on a Fujitsu Stylistic PT-510 using a 3rd party handwriting recognition app: http://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb24-2/tb77adams.pdf

Recently drew up a set of calipers, did CAM, and sent the G-code to a hobby-level CNC machine to make a pair using my Toshiba Encore 2 Write 10 (while I have a keyboard for it, I rarely use it, and only use the on-screen keyboard when forced to): http://projects.shapeoko.com/project.php?id=154

I see the iPad Pro as Apple's opening salvo in their return to pen computing (yes, I had a Newton MessagePad, yes, I've been trying to justify an Axiotron ModBook since they came out). Looking forward to the endgame (Apple Pencil having multiple buttons and is supported on other iPad sizes, the iPhone, iPod Touch and a slate / convertible MacBook) being more interesting than the opening move.

Dulin's Books · 09-16-2015, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

What is "3D touch"? Pressure-sensitive touch?

yeah it's being used by apple pretty much the same way a long press (touch and hold) is used anywhere else

tomsem · 09-16-2015, 07:54 PM

So I finally had a look at the Apple videos for iPad Pro, using the stylus, etc. The latter seems really nice, if you happen to be a creative professional and want to have something very portable to draw on. The larger screen area and more accurate/responsive tracking of stylus movement is a real step up from the iPad, which people have managed to draw on up to this point. It's a little unimportant that they claim 'pixel' accuracy, since drawing is more suited to vector (resolution independent) approach. Maybe it matters if you are touching up (resolution dependent) photos, but you still have to zoom in to manipulate at pixel level.

But this is not 'pen computing', and it is not a 'laptop replacement' in any sense, as Surface Pro is. Once you set it up with a keyboard, it becomes an inferior laptop replacement. Laptops have trackpads or pointer things to manipulate a cursor, and that feature is simply (to me, glaringly) absent here.

Certainly this is the device to get if drawing is a big part of your life. For everyone else, this is just a bigger iPad, and yes, it has much better sound and 'immersion' if you are watching video a lot, for photography, etc.

Dulin's Books · 09-18-2015, 10:13 AM

I don't agree it's the device to get if art is a big part of your life. this review from May shows that the Surface 3 is better as far as cost, programs available and work flow as a portable sketchpad. Plus if the size is too small for you the Surface Pro 3 with i3 or i5 is still cheaper than the iPad Pro all in.

http://www.parkablogs.com/picture/re...ts-and-drawing

Its a very thorough article. I wish there would be more like this out there for various tech nowadays instead of the mostly superficial articles that abound. He even starts a drawing in one program and then exports it out to Adobe Photoshop CC for painting. I'm was surprised actually when i read it the first time. Had no idea that the Atom X7 was powerful enough for what he shows.

HappyMartin · 09-18-2015, 11:14 AM

There is about as much chance of this thing being used in commercial photography and retouching as there is of writing War and Peace on an iPad.

Large files get up 400mb each and it's not unusual to shoot a TB on a big shoot. How would you keep a TB of images on this thing?Photographers spend thousands of dollars of profiled monitors for a reason. The iPad is simply not good enough to profile that accurately. It's not powerful enough to process large files.

I could see some use for it to do a loose edit for client approval before heading for a desktop machine with a proper Wacom pen.

Having said all that Im sure it will find a use but I don't think people realize just what is required to process large image files and how cumbersome they become over wifi networks.

tomsem · 09-18-2015, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Dulin's Books

I don't agree it's the device to get if art is a big part of your life. this review from May shows that the Surface 3 is better as far as cost, programs available and work flow as a portable sketchpad. Plus if the size is too small for you the Surface Pro 3 with i3 or i5 is still cheaper than the iPad Pro all in.

http://www.parkablogs.com/picture/re...ts-and-drawing

Its a very thorough article. I wish there would be more like this out there for various tech nowadays instead of the mostly superficial articles that abound. He even starts a drawing in one program and then exports it out to Adobe Photoshop CC for painting. I'm was surprised actually when i read it the first time. Had no idea that the Atom X7 was powerful enough for what he shows.

I could be wrong, but I don't think the stylus for surface pro supports all of the control features that the iPad pro stylus offers (not just pressure sensitivity, but control via angling of the stylus).

It is true that this does not matter to everyone, but creative professionals are overwhelmingly Apple customers (Apple makes a point of targeting them in their messaging, Microsoft not so much), so they may not feel comfortable with going outside that ecosystem, regardless of Surface Pro's merits.

DuckieTigger · 09-18-2015, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by tomsem

It is true that this does not matter to everyone, but creative professionals are overwhelmingly Apple customers

Which OS are you talking about? MacOS or iOS?

09-16-2015, 10:53 AM	#99
WillAdams Wizard Posts: 1,260 Karma: 3439432 Join Date: Feb 2008 Device: Amazon Kindle Paperwhite (300ppi), Samsung Galaxy Book 12	I do quite a bit of work using just a stylus --- wrote out the paper for my TUG2003 presentation on a Fujitsu Stylistic PT-510 using a 3rd party handwriting recognition app: http://www.tug.org/TUGboat/tb24-2/tb77adams.pdf Recently drew up a set of calipers, did CAM, and sent the G-code to a hobby-level CNC machine to make a pair using my Toshiba Encore 2 Write 10 (while I have a keyboard for it, I rarely use it, and only use the on-screen keyboard when forced to): http://projects.shapeoko.com/project.php?id=154 I see the iPad Pro as Apple's opening salvo in their return to pen computing (yes, I had a Newton MessagePad, yes, I've been trying to justify an Axiotron ModBook since they came out). Looking forward to the endgame (Apple Pencil having multiple buttons and is supported on other iPad sizes, the iPhone, iPod Touch and a slate / convertible MacBook) being more interesting than the opening move. Last edited by WillAdams; 09-17-2015 at 09:14 AM.

09-16-2015, 07:54 PM	#101
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,007 Karma: 27060353 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	So I finally had a look at the Apple videos for iPad Pro, using the stylus, etc. The latter seems really nice, if you happen to be a creative professional and want to have something very portable to draw on. The larger screen area and more accurate/responsive tracking of stylus movement is a real step up from the iPad, which people have managed to draw on up to this point. It's a little unimportant that they claim 'pixel' accuracy, since drawing is more suited to vector (resolution independent) approach. Maybe it matters if you are touching up (resolution dependent) photos, but you still have to zoom in to manipulate at pixel level. But this is not 'pen computing', and it is not a 'laptop replacement' in any sense, as Surface Pro is. Once you set it up with a keyboard, it becomes an inferior laptop replacement. Laptops have trackpads or pointer things to manipulate a cursor, and that feature is simply (to me, glaringly) absent here. Certainly this is the device to get if drawing is a big part of your life. For everyone else, this is just a bigger iPad, and yes, it has much better sound and 'immersion' if you are watching video a lot, for photography, etc. Last edited by tomsem; 09-16-2015 at 08:32 PM.

09-18-2015, 10:13 AM	#102
Dulin's Books Wizard Posts: 2,806 Karma: 13500000 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Portland, OR Device: Boox PB360 etc etc etc	I don't agree it's the device to get if art is a big part of your life. this review from May shows that the Surface 3 is better as far as cost, programs available and work flow as a portable sketchpad. Plus if the size is too small for you the Surface Pro 3 with i3 or i5 is still cheaper than the iPad Pro all in. http://www.parkablogs.com/picture/re...ts-and-drawing Its a very thorough article. I wish there would be more like this out there for various tech nowadays instead of the mostly superficial articles that abound. He even starts a drawing in one program and then exports it out to Adobe Photoshop CC for painting. I'm was surprised actually when i read it the first time. Had no idea that the Atom X7 was powerful enough for what he shows. Last edited by Dulin's Books; 09-18-2015 at 10:17 AM.

09-16-2015, 05:31 AM	#92
drofgnal Wizard Posts: 1,432 Karma: 10519918 Join Date: Dec 2009 Device: Ipad Pro/Kindle Oasis 3/iPhone 13 Pro Max	Not sure if this has been covered but a usb port for extended memory, via external hard drive or stick would be nice. Then you'd truly have a device that could be used in place of a laptop, not with one.

09-16-2015, 09:45 AM	#98
HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Thanks!

09-18-2015, 11:14 AM	#103
HappyMartin Martin Kristiansen Posts: 1,546 Karma: 8480958 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Johannesburg Device: Kindle International Ipad 2	There is about as much chance of this thing being used in commercial photography and retouching as there is of writing War and Peace on an iPad. Large files get up 400mb each and it's not unusual to shoot a TB on a big shoot. How would you keep a TB of images on this thing?Photographers spend thousands of dollars of profiled monitors for a reason. The iPad is simply not good enough to profile that accurately. It's not powerful enough to process large files. I could see some use for it to do a loose edit for client approval before heading for a desktop machine with a proper Wacom pen. Having said all that Im sure it will find a use but I don't think people realize just what is required to process large image files and how cumbersome they become over wifi networks.

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