Apple iPad Pro announced - Page 6

HarryT · 09-12-2015, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by pl001

Yeah, with that keyboard and pen, er, "pencil", it really seems like a poor-man's Surface, but at a higher price. It's very odd.

But I can pretty much guarantee it will have fewer bugs than my Surface 3 does on Windows 10. And for that reason many people will prefer it.

How much does the Surface Pro 3 weigh without a keyboard, and what is its battery life? The reason I prefer to use my iPad as a tablet rather than my 1st generation Surface Pro is because the iPad is so much lighter, and has 3x the battery life. The Surface Pro is great as a very portable laptop, but I don't like it as a tablet.

harriska2 · 09-12-2015, 11:16 AM

I tried the surface pro at Costco. The stylus had skipping problems and you could use it about an eight of an inch above the glass. I couldn't find where the apps were, it took 10 minutes, maybe because it was running 8.

IMO, the iPad pro has everything I've been waiting for: a stylus that works at least as well as a 2000 compac ipac, using at least 2 screens at a time, a fuller working ms office, and a bigger screen. I don't like the price. Today, the way they upgrade the OS you need gigs available just to do so. 16 gig is not enough, 32 is minimum. But with my large PDF files, I need 64. So $950 for the 128 model is minimum, plus $100 for the pencil.

The only thing they must add is an SD slot for photos and the ability to write out files to the card in order to share for those without cloud access or air drop.

Oh, and Apple has to fix their ability to select text for copy and paste. It quit working well several OSs ago.

HarryT · 09-12-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by harriska2

Today, the way they upgrade the OS you need gigs available just to do so.

Not if you use "on device" updates; it only uses the amount of space required for the delta. Eg, the most recent update from 8.4 to 8.4.1 was only about 40MB in size, if memory serves me correctly? It's only if you download the whole thing via iTunes that it needs loads of space.

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The only thing they must add is an SD slot for photos and the ability to write out files to the card in order to share for those without cloud access or air drop.

"Must add"? Why "must" they add this? iPads have never had a memory card slot. What on Earth makes you think they're going to add one now, especially given the focus on Cloud storage?

Dulin's Books · 09-12-2015, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by harriska2

I tried the surface pro at Costco. The stylus had skipping problems and you could use it about an eight of an inch above the glass. I couldn't find where the apps were, it took 10 minutes, maybe because it was running 8.

you can not write/draw with Surface pro pen on a SP3 when the nib is not touching the glass. It does have "hover" as a feature that shows a small cursor so you can see where it's pointing. this is for selecting items in a drop down menu etc. i've never seen skipping issues but if there was some damage to the nib (certainly possible on demo devices at Costco... sigh

...) it could cause irregularities if the damage interfered with the pressure sensitivity.

As for finding apps- where were you looking? if you are on the start screen, just type

robko · 09-12-2015, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

How much does the Surface Pro 3 weigh without a keyboard, and what is its battery life? The reason I prefer to use my iPad as a tablet rather than my 1st generation Surface Pro is because the iPad is so much lighter, and has 3x the battery life. The Surface Pro is great as a very portable laptop, but I don't like it as a tablet.

IPad Pro is 713g. IPad Air 2 is 437g. Surface Pro 3 is 800g, Surface 3 is 622g. So the IPP isn't going to help much for weight if that's your concern.

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Originally Posted by harriska2

I tried the surface pro at Costco. The stylus had skipping problems and you could use it about an eight of an inch above the glass. I couldn't find where the apps were, it took 10 minutes, maybe because it was running 8.

I'd say that was an issue with the that particular demo device. I have a Surface 3 and my pen works great and no significant skipping. It will show where the cursor will be when the pen is suspended over the screen, but mine won't write unless it's touching, and in fact requires slight pressure on contact with the screen, not just contact.

HarryT · 09-12-2015, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by robko

IPad Pro is 713g. IPad Air 2 is 437g. Surface Pro 3 is 800g, Surface 3 is 622g. So the IPP isn't going to help much for weight if that's your concern.

Thanks for the figures. Very little in it, I agree.

tomsem · 09-13-2015, 10:45 PM

I'm disappointed with the direction Apple is taking with the iPad Pro. For 'productivity', I think you need to be able to do most things with a physical keyboard and trackpad/mouse. It is no good if you have to touch the screen to do so many things. Both Surface-type and Android devices let you do this without any issues, or surprises.

External keyboards with iOS don't even let you do reasonable things, like using arrow keys or tab or page up/page down to navigate UI, unless you enable Accessibility, and then they do it very inefficiently.

I see no justification for this, apart from some arbitrary philosophical design decision to keep MacBooks and iPads as distinct device types. 'Hybrid' is apparently some sort of evil. So no touch screen for MacBooks, and no mouse cursor for iPads. I don't get it.

This makes me more interested in getting a Surface Pro...

SCION · 09-14-2015, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tomsem

I'm disappointed with the direction Apple is taking with the iPad Pro. For 'productivity', I think you need to be able to do most things with a physical keyboard and trackpad/mouse. It is no good if you have to touch the screen to do so many things. Both Surface-type and Android devices let you do this without any issues, or surprises.

External keyboards with iOS don't even let you do reasonable things, like using arrow keys or tab or page up/page down to navigate UI, unless you enable Accessibility, and then they do it very inefficiently.

I see no justification for this, apart from some arbitrary philosophical design decision to keep MacBooks and iPads as distinct device types. 'Hybrid' is apparently some sort of evil. So no touch screen for MacBooks, and no mouse cursor for iPads. I don't get it.

This makes me more interested in getting a Surface Pro...

I wasn't aware of the mouse limitation. What happens when you try to pair a bluetooth mouse?

tomsem · 09-14-2015, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SCION

I wasn't aware of the mouse limitation. What happens when you try to pair a bluetooth mouse?

In general, they do not pair (BT support for mice is not present on iOS). In the past, you could jailbreak and add this capability, but I don't know if that still works with recent devices and iOS versions (at least there are no recent YouTube videos on the matter), or how well it worked.

Given how Apple has ridiculed Windows for supporting touchscreens on desktop and laptop computers (because of the obvious ergonomic issues with holding your arm out to touch the screen for any length of time), it is ironic that iPads have exactly the same ergonomic issue when you have them in a stand (for extended keyboarding) and have to do something with the UI (other than the meager navigation that keyboards support). Especially now that they are positioning this as a 'for business' device vis a vis Surface Pro and similar devices.

And apparently there's no system level support for handwriting recognition, when using the stylus. Microsoft is way ahead on this.

I keep thinking I'm missing something. Haven't watched the keynote intro yet, but I don't see how they can position this stylus thing as being 'better' than having mouse support, except for 'drawing' specifically. And why not have both?

I'm also wondering where iPad Pro leaves Wacom, Adonit, 53 and their rather heroic (but seemingly doomed) efforts to make a stylus that works well with an iPad. Will third party styluses be possible, eventually? (it seems not, at least for now)

SCION · 09-15-2015, 11:11 AM

Thanks for the breakdown, tomsem. I had an iPad Air and never knew a bluetooth mouse would not work.

On other forums folks plan on replacing their MacBook with this. Perhaps they are not aware of no mouse support.

Now that I have my Samsung Tab S2 and Samsung keyboard cover with trackpad, and mouse support, I leave my MacBook Air home.

Jessica Lares · 09-15-2015, 11:34 AM

It’s not hard to use a stylus instead of a mouse, provided it has a few customizable buttons.

shalym · 09-15-2015, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jessica Lares

It’s not hard to use a stylus instead of a mouse, provided it has a few customizable buttons.

Unfortunately, the new Pencil doesn't have any buttons, so isn't usable in that way.

Shari

Jessica Lares · 09-15-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shalym

Unfortunately, the new Pencil doesn't have any buttons, so isn't usable in that way.

Shari

Oh yeah, I knew that. That's why I'm hoping they're working with Wacom and the other guys who will make much better styluses and accessories.

pwalker8 · 09-15-2015, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by shalym

Unfortunately, the new Pencil doesn't have any buttons, so isn't usable in that way.

Shari

I believe that the new stylus uses the 3D touch feature instead of a button.

Jessica Lares · 09-15-2015, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by pwalker8

I believe that the new stylus uses the 3D touch feature instead of a button.

That’s not a great solution though. It’s not natural and it makes you think too much to do things.

09-15-2015, 11:11 AM	#85
SCION Séduisant Posts: 4,706 Karma: 2107018 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Texas, USA Device: Boox Note Air2+; Kobo Libra2; Kindle Scribe, Oasis3; iPad Mini6	Thanks for the breakdown, tomsem. I had an iPad Air and never knew a bluetooth mouse would not work. On other forums folks plan on replacing their MacBook with this. Perhaps they are not aware of no mouse support. Now that I have my Samsung Tab S2 and Samsung keyboard cover with trackpad, and mouse support, I leave my MacBook Air home. Attached Thumbnails Last edited by SCION; 09-15-2015 at 11:17 AM.

09-12-2015, 11:16 AM	#77
harriska2 Addict Posts: 272 Karma: 8000000 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Corvallis, OR Device: Kindle PW2, iPad Pro	I tried the surface pro at Costco. The stylus had skipping problems and you could use it about an eight of an inch above the glass. I couldn't find where the apps were, it took 10 minutes, maybe because it was running 8. IMO, the iPad pro has everything I've been waiting for: a stylus that works at least as well as a 2000 compac ipac, using at least 2 screens at a time, a fuller working ms office, and a bigger screen. I don't like the price. Today, the way they upgrade the OS you need gigs available just to do so. 16 gig is not enough, 32 is minimum. But with my large PDF files, I need 64. So $950 for the 128 model is minimum, plus $100 for the pencil. The only thing they must add is an SD slot for photos and the ability to write out files to the card in order to share for those without cloud access or air drop. Oh, and Apple has to fix their ability to select text for copy and paste. It quit working well several OSs ago.

09-13-2015, 10:45 PM	#82
tomsem Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,942 Karma: 27060153 Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: USA Device: iPhone 15PM, Kindle Scribe, iPad mini 6, PocketBook InkPad Color 3	I'm disappointed with the direction Apple is taking with the iPad Pro. For 'productivity', I think you need to be able to do most things with a physical keyboard and trackpad/mouse. It is no good if you have to touch the screen to do so many things. Both Surface-type and Android devices let you do this without any issues, or surprises. External keyboards with iOS don't even let you do reasonable things, like using arrow keys or tab or page up/page down to navigate UI, unless you enable Accessibility, and then they do it very inefficiently. I see no justification for this, apart from some arbitrary philosophical design decision to keep MacBooks and iPads as distinct device types. 'Hybrid' is apparently some sort of evil. So no touch screen for MacBooks, and no mouse cursor for iPads. I don't get it. This makes me more interested in getting a Surface Pro...

09-15-2015, 11:34 AM	#86
Jessica Lares Wizard Posts: 2,240 Karma: 5759170 Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Near Dallas, Texas, USA Device: iPad Mini, iPod Touch (5th gen)	It’s not hard to use a stylus instead of a mouse, provided it has a few customizable buttons.