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Old 09-11-2015, 11:53 PM   #691
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Also interesting are Isabella Beeton's life story, post-mortem image/brand management*, and legacy, e.g., as described in these posts and in media linked to them:
*She, like Michael Jackson, generated more income posthumously than when alive.
That's why Elvis (Presley) faked his death and lived incognito for a long time. I heard that they just found him dead in San Diego. I know it's true--I read it in some magazine at the checkout at Wally World while I was waiting in line. (ha)
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I've had this ebook occupying a tab in my Web browser for several days (meaning that I wanted to post it). There's nothing in the world wrong with the book--it's a fantastic, very highly rated one, in fact--I just had other things that I wanted to post more.

I'm not sure what to make of this book, completely. It is from a English/British publisher. The author was from England. The recipes seem to reflect those things.

The Best Of Mrs Beeton's Cakes and Baking. By Isabella Beeton.

The mouth-watering treats inside include:
-Black Forest Gateau
-Chelsea Buns
-English Muffins
-Sacher Torte
-Pork Pies
-Treacle Tart
-Pavlova
-Pineapple Upside-down Cake
-Hot Cross Buns
-Shortbread

Isabella Mary Beeton was born in London is 1836, where she grew up in a .I]
I quote a review on Amazon.co.uk

I have given this book three stars because it does have a lot of interesting recipes - but to say that it is by 'Isabella Beeton' is blatantly not true and a huge insult to both history and the reader. It is a fairly good collection of recipes, that is all. Some are derived from Mrs Beeton, a lot are not. There are a few text-box hints from Mrs Beeton, amongst others, no explanation of oven temps (fan or not?) - or overall introduction. At a glance, the recipes (which are given in grams and ounces) are good, clear and easy to follow. It's probably worth having for the recipes, if you can ignore the false premise on which it is being marketed!
==

To back this up, Pavlova was invented in 1926 in New Zealand
There is no trace of a Pineapple cake or an upside-down cake in _Household Management_

Need be no deliberate untruths here "Mrs Beeton" has been used as a name for compilations ever since her death.
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On the topic of copying recipes, I was surprised yesterday. I looked at the 4 fundraiser cookbooks I grabbed yesterday and there was not a single duplicate in appetizers, beverages or salads.
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I have given this book three stars because it does have a lot of interesting recipes - but to say that it is by 'Isabella Beeton' is blatantly not true and a huge insult to both history and the reader. It is a fairly good collection of recipes, that is all. Some are derived from Mrs Beeton, a lot are not. There are a few text-box hints from Mrs Beeton, amongst others, no explanation of oven temps (fan or not?) - or overall introduction. At a glance, the recipes (which are given in grams and ounces) are good, clear and easy to follow. It's probably worth having for the recipes, if you can ignore the false premise on which it is being marketed!
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To back this up, Pavlova was invented in 1926 in New Zealand
There is no trace of a Pineapple cake or an upside-down cake in _Household Management_

Need be no deliberate untruths here "Mrs Beeton" has been used as a name for compilations ever since her death.
Thanks. I never intentionally misrepresent things, of course. Most of the time I really don't have any choice but to rely on the promotional materials to be truthful. And for Mobilereaders like yourself and Froid to spot errors and share what they find.

Speaking of Mrs. Beeton's name being used as sort of an ananym (pretend name for the real author (that's putting it kindly)) . . . . we have a prominent brand of cookbooks, food, and maybe other things in the U.S. called "Betty Crocker." The difference between "her" and Mrs. Beeton is the fact that Mrs. Beeton was a real person (if I can believe what I read. ha), but there never was a real Betty Crocker. It is a made up brand name (Wikipedia).

This brings up a question. I wonder if she really wrote the needlework and household management books that Cinaisajoy spoke of? Or any of the others?

Assuming that what you and Froid found are truthful, "Mrs Beeton's" books are only a notch above, in my mind, the cut-and-paste (copying from the Internet and creating a book) ebooks that we have spoken of and discussed on this thread. Maybe the Mrs Beeton books long ago were inspiration to the people who do those things today! ha

But just think: Mrs. Beeton died at age 28. Just imagine what more she could have written if she had lived a normal lifespan! I tell you, the world is a poorer place because she didn't! (yes, that is a joke)
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Thanks. I never intentionally misrepresent things, of course. Most of the time I really don't have any choice but to rely on the promotional materials to be truthful. And for Mobilereaders like yourself and Froid to spot errors and share what they find.

Speaking of Mrs. Beeton's name being used as sort of an ananym (pretend name for the real author (that's putting it kindly)) . . . . we have a prominent brand of cookbooks, food, and maybe other things in the U.S. called "Betty Crocker." The difference between "her" and Mrs. Beeton is the fact that Mrs. Beeton was a real person (if I can believe what I read. ha), but there never was a real Betty Crocker. It is a made up brand name (Wikipedia).

This brings up a question. I wonder if she really wrote the needlework and household management books that Cinaisajoy spoke of? Or any of the others?

Assuming that what you and Froid found are truthful, "Mrs Beeton's" books are only a notch above, in my mind, the cut-and-paste (copying from the Internet and creating a book) ebooks that we have spoken of and discussed on this thread. Maybe the Mrs Beeton books long ago were inspiration to the people who do those things today! ha

But just think: Mrs. Beeton died at age 28. Just imagine what more she could have written if she had lived a normal lifespan! I tell you, the world is a poorer place because she didn't! (yes, that is a joke)
Next you will tell me the Pillsbury Dough Boy and Aunt Jemima aren't real.

The difference is Betty Crocker was created to support one manufacturer.

On Mrs. Beeton, the recipes do sound good and the ones I looked at were basic recipes. Not much you can do with them.
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Thanks. I never intentionally misrepresent things, of course. Most of the time I really don't have any choice but to rely on the promotional materials to be truthful. And for Mobilereaders like yourself and Froid to spot errors and share what they find.

Speaking of Mrs. Beeton's name being used as sort of an ananym (pretend name for the real author (that's putting it kindly)) . . . . we have a prominent brand of cookbooks, food, and maybe other things in the U.S. called "Betty Crocker." The difference between "her" and Mrs. Beeton is the fact that Mrs. Beeton was a real person (if I can believe what I read. ha), but there never was a real Betty Crocker. It is a made up brand name (Wikipedia).

This brings up a question. I wonder if she really wrote the needlework and household management books that Cinaisajoy spoke of? Or any of the others?

Assuming that what you and Froid found are truthful, "Mrs Beeton's" books are only a notch above, in my mind, the cut-and-paste (copying from the Internet and creating a book) ebooks that we have spoken of and discussed on this thread. Maybe the Mrs Beeton books long ago were inspiration to the people who do those things today! ha

But just think: Mrs. Beeton died at age 28. Just imagine what more she could have written if she had lived a normal lifespan! I tell you, the world is a poorer place because she didn't! (yes, that is a joke)
From what I've read, I view:
  • The living Isabella Beeton in a similar light to the Brothers Grimm and Joel Chandler Harris. They all compiled, and in some cases adapted, refined, formatted, or in some way standardized, the presentation of pre-existing recipes/home management/etiquette advice (in Beeton's case); European folklore (in the Grimms' case); and African/African-American Uncle Remus stories (in Chandler Harris' case). None of them invented or created original works, but their adaptation/editing/compilation/publication efforts popularized the content in question. I don't begrudge any of them the ensuing recognition they garnered, even though it's ironic in some cases (e.g., Isabella Beeton was a poor cook), and engendered controversy or backlash in others (e.g., Joel Chandler Harris was white, and his portrayal of characters and dialogue in the Uncle Remus stories eventually came to be seen as racist and patronizing).
  • Though it was shady business to perpetuate the myth that Isabella was still alive and personally involved in the production of "Mrs. Beeton" publications that were created posthumously, I "get" the perpetrators' motivation for doing that. They, in effect, branded "Mrs. Beeton" products using a popular, iconic persona much like those associated with never-anything-but-fictional, yet extremely popular, personas that have been best-sellers in a variety of fields, some already mentioned in this thread - Betty Crocker and Aunt Jemima - and some others not otherwise mentioned, e.g., Uncle Ben (of Uncle Ben's food products); Victor Appleton or Laura Lee Hope (of the Stratemeyer Syndicate's book series); and Evan-Picone (the fashion house founded by Charles Evans).

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This book is about cooking domestic meats in the 1800s; beef and veal, mutton and lamb, pork, and poultry (chickens, ducks, geese and turkeys).

Early American settlers used only a wood burning stove or open hearth fireplace to cook their meals. With no thermometers, cooks determined how hot their ovens were by how long they could safely hold their hand inside. For meat on a spit or cooked in pots, it was just "cook until done."


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Please, oh please! Don't tell me that there's not a real Aunt Barb or that she didn't really write this cookbook! I can't stand the agony of being deceived again, like I was about Mrs Beeton. I can't. I can't!

Anyway, the ebook is marked down by a pleasing 67%. It's now only 99 cents.

Aunt Barb's Bread Book: Yesterday's Breads for Today's Kitchens. By Barbara Sewell. Rated 4.6 stars, from 25 reviews at the present moment. Print list price $5.95; digital list price $2.99; Kindle price now $0.99. Native Ground Books & Music, publisher. 72 pages. http://www.amazon.com/Aunt-Barbs-Bre...y%27s+Kitchens.

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Please, oh please! Don't tell me that there's not a real Aunt Barb or that she didn't really write this cookbook! I can't stand the agony of being deceived again, like I was about Mrs Beeton. I can't. I can't!

Anyway, the ebook is marked down by a pleasing 67%. It's now only 99 cents.

Aunt Barb's Bread Book: Yesterday's Breads for Today's Kitchens. By Barbara Sewell. Rated 4.6 stars, from 25 reviews at the present moment. Print list price $5.95; digital list price $2.99; Kindle price now $0.99. Native Ground Books & Music, publisher. 72 pages. http://www.amazon.com/Aunt-Barbs-Bre...y%27s+Kitchens.

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Bake up your great grandmother’s wholesome, tasty hearth-baked breads in your own kitchen today! You’ll be amazed by the stunning loaves and rolls you pluck from new or vintage cast ironware, baking stones, or everyday gizmos that produce yesterday’s radiant cooking environments for your modern oven, wood fireplace, or campfire. Recipes for artisan bread from 1820 through 1920 include harvest apple bread, whole-grain little gem breads, oat sandwich loaf, buttermilk rolls, and lots more. Cookbook contains oodles of period photos and bread-lore and is appropriate for all skill levels.
Hey, it is Barbara Swell not Sewell. Yes, she seems real.
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