Kindle Paperwhite 2-Voyage Software Update 5.6.5 - Page 19

sparklemotion · 08-23-2015, 03:06 PM

I don't use my Kindles anymore since buying the Kobo H20, but I figured I'd download the new software because, well, why not. I mainly wanted to see the Bookerly font. It looks so light and thin to me. I'd get eyestrain using it, I'm sure. I don't know if it's because I'm so used to my Kobo, but the Kindle fonts look so bad to me now. I imagine it looks better on the Voyage, but on my Paperwhite it's really thin and washed out.

manawydan · 08-23-2015, 04:00 PM

You are aware what the KFX format and Amazon's policy mean, aren't you?

Not only do they want to control book formats and distribution (even for classics, DRM-free books) it also helps to analyse buyers' behaviour.

I am really surprised that you seem to happily jump on the bandwagon. Especially considering how Amazon is introducing it.

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What is a story about a new Kindle e-book format, if Good e-Reader did not provide a scoop. Here is the deal. Amazon has developed a tool that they are using in-house called kfxgen that they use to convert the old e-book format to the new one. Currently publishers don’t have a way to submit newer titles in KFX and the official Kindle Previewer tool does not support enhanced typesetting. Kindle for PC also does not include the new font,

so if you decide you want to strip the DRM from your books, you will be unable to do so with KFX. Calibre, a preferred e-book management tool also does not have support for KFX either.

http://goodereader.com/blog/e-book-n...at-called-kfx#

cvkemp · 08-23-2015, 04:07 PM

I believe that if the kfx ever comes to the kindle for pc then you will see calibre being able to store them correctly, and elf will come up with the drm tools.

But for me I just love to read, and I love my amazon ebook library. And I do use calibre, and I send all of my ebooks to kindle for pc. So I can have a saved copy.

JSWolf · 08-23-2015, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Barty

That is, if you think "requiring a new format" is a bug. Amazon probably sees it as a feature.

I never said needing a new format for the enhanced typesetting is a bug. I have said it's a rather stupid move by Amazon when it's not needed at all and if it was done properly, all KF8 eBooks could have had the use of the advanced typesetting.

spfenwick · 08-24-2015, 05:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mandy314

Another surprise for me was that the updated Bookerly font has no Kerning table (ttf-format)! The info from the tool I used may be wrong though

Bookerly does have a kerning table - it's just in OpenType format rather than the old TrueType format. You can see it if you open the Bookerly font file in a font editor that understands OpenType (e.g. fontforge).

It looks like Amazon is doing things properly using kerning and ligature information in the font, since different fonts seem to have different kerning and ligatures.

Rizla · 08-24-2015, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sparklemotion

I don't use my Kindles anymore since buying the Kobo H20, but I figured I'd download the new software because, well, why not. I mainly wanted to see the Bookerly font. It looks so light and thin to me. I'd get eyestrain using it, I'm sure. I don't know if it's because I'm so used to my Kobo, but the Kindle fonts look so bad to me now. I imagine it looks better on the Voyage, but on my Paperwhite it's really thin and washed out.

Ironically Bookerly looks great on a Kobo because the Kobo software allows the font to be made heavier.

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

I never said needing a new format for the enhanced typesetting is a bug. I have said it's a rather stupid move by Amazon when it's not needed at all and if it was done properly, all KF8 eBooks could have had the use of the advanced typesetting.

A new file format to introduce these (not so) new typographical features is totally unnecessary. The purpose of introducing the new file format is to encode books and to increase drm. i.e. more Amazon shutdown. It remains to be seen how effective it will be in that regard, but for now it appears to be working well, but it's early days.

HarryT · 08-24-2015, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rizla

A new file format to introduce these (not so) new typographical features is totally unnecessary. The purpose of introducing the new file format is to encode books and to increase drm.

Nope. KFX books can be DRM-free, just like any other Kindle format.

JSWolf · 08-24-2015, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Nope. KFX books can be DRM-free, just like any other Kindle format.

KFX is not about DRM. KFX is about not being able to decompile and remove DRM. We do see that RMDSK (ADE) can do advanced typesetting on the fly where Amazon feels the need to create a completely new format.

Rizla · 08-24-2015, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

KFX is not about DRM. KFX is about not being able to decompile and remove DRM. We do see that RMDSK (ADE) can do advanced typesetting on the fly where Amazon feels the need to create a completely new format.

So can drm be removed, and can the file be converted into other formats?

Anthem · 08-24-2015, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by sparklemotion

I mainly wanted to see the Bookerly font. It looks so light and thin to me. I'd get eyestrain using it, I'm sure.

Amazon claims that in tests it is some certain minuscule percentage more comfortable for people to read (I have no idea how you objectively test something like this) but I agree that it does look a bit lighter and thinner... which I would think would be the opposite of what you would want for reducing eye-strain.

However, I do like the Bookerly font. It looks amazing on high resolution LCD screens even though it just looks OK on even the new Voyage and Paperwhite 300ppi screens, IMO. Shrug. These are the games we play, I suppose.

oblox · 08-24-2015, 10:44 AM

I really like bookerly on my PW3, it is thinner and lighter than other fonts but it is also very nice to read.

cvkemp · 08-24-2015, 10:50 AM

I have the voyage and I am really liking the Bookerly font. It is easy on my eyes. And I read up wards to 6 or more hours a day.

JSWolf · 08-24-2015, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rizla

So can drm be removed, and can the file be converted into other formats?

Nope. Nobody outside of Amazon knows enough about the KFX file format and the DRM. So for now the best we can do is KF8. But if you have a Kindle that supports enhanced typesetting and you've download an eBook from Amazon that has ET, then you have to get the eBook by downloading via the web browser or K4PC.

Rizla · 08-24-2015, 01:55 PM

So drm cannot be removed from kfx and it cannot be converted. As such, kfx appears to be more a system for Amazon to increase control than it is an introduction of new features.

HarryT · 08-24-2015, 02:07 PM

Cannot be removed yet, just as it couldn't be removed from books with Adobe DRM a few years ago. The tools for doing this don't spring fully-formed from the brow of Zeus, they take time to develop.

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Rizla Member Retired Posts: 3,183 Karma: 11721895 Join Date: Nov 2010 Device: Nook STR (rooted) & Sony T2	So drm cannot be removed from kfx and it cannot be converted. As such, kfx appears to be more a system for Amazon to increase control than it is an introduction of new features. Last edited by Rizla; 08-24-2015 at 01:58 PM.

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sparklemotion dangerous when cornered Posts: 1,864 Karma: 22891237 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Device: Kobo H2O, Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Paperwhite	I don't use my Kindles anymore since buying the Kobo H20, but I figured I'd download the new software because, well, why not. I mainly wanted to see the Bookerly font. It looks so light and thin to me. I'd get eyestrain using it, I'm sure. I don't know if it's because I'm so used to my Kobo, but the Kindle fonts look so bad to me now. I imagine it looks better on the Voyage, but on my Paperwhite it's really thin and washed out.

08-23-2015, 04:07 PM	#273
cvkemp Loving life Posts: 1,430 Karma: 7991496 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hot Springs Village, Arkansas Device: PaperWhite 6 SE, Fire HD8	I believe that if the kfx ever comes to the kindle for pc then you will see calibre being able to store them correctly, and elf will come up with the drm tools. But for me I just love to read, and I love my amazon ebook library. And I do use calibre, and I send all of my ebooks to kindle for pc. So I can have a saved copy.

08-24-2015, 10:44 AM	#281
oblox Zealot Posts: 135 Karma: 1007000 Join Date: Sep 2013 Device: Kindle Paperwhite (7th Gen)	I really like bookerly on my PW3, it is thinner and lighter than other fonts but it is also very nice to read.

08-24-2015, 10:50 AM	#282
cvkemp Loving life Posts: 1,430 Karma: 7991496 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Hot Springs Village, Arkansas Device: PaperWhite 6 SE, Fire HD8	I have the voyage and I am really liking the Bookerly font. It is easy on my eyes. And I read up wards to 6 or more hours a day.

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,557 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Cannot be removed yet, just as it couldn't be removed from books with Adobe DRM a few years ago. The tools for doing this don't spring fully-formed from the brow of Zeus, they take time to develop.