|  01-04-2015, 11:43 PM | #1 | ||
| Grand Sorceress            Posts: 456 Karma: 12931465 Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Florida Device: Kindle | 
				
				Will Subscription e-Book Sites Continue to be Viable in 2015?
			 
			
			Michael Kozlowski shares in this article why he suspects e-book subscription sites is a deteriorating business. (I don't wholly agree though) Quote: 
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|  01-05-2015, 12:48 AM | #2 | 
| PHD in Horribleness            Posts: 2,320 Karma: 23599604 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: In the ironbound section, near avenue L Device: Just a whole bunch. I guess I am a collector now. | 
			
			I reread books that I like.  Even books I liked as a kid. I do not trust online data to remain available and so even if they have some material that might fall within my interests I don't use subscription sites. | 
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|  01-05-2015, 03:50 AM | #3 | 
| Treachery of images ...            Posts: 4,149 Karma: 94320195 Join Date: May 2012 Location: Australia Device: Sony 650, Kobo Glo, H2O, Aura One, Forma, Libra 2, Libra Colour | 
			
			Am I right in thinking that one can't read any of the books from those various library lending companies on their ereader? Is it the case that one must borrow them using an app or read on their PC from the cloud? On another note I haven't bothered with joining any of them because I like to buy now and then choose when I'll read the book - and that might be sooner or later. Plus my free public library satisfies my needs for ebook borrowing that can be used on my ereder. Last edited by Lynx-lynx; 01-05-2015 at 03:53 AM. | 
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|  01-05-2015, 05:07 AM | #4 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 7,196 Karma: 70314280 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Device: iPad Pro, iPad mini, Kobo Aura, Amazon paperwhite, Sony PRS-T2 | 
			
			I suspect that subscription services appeal to people who don't re-read books, but do read a lot of books, i.e. the same people who frequent those used book stores where you can buy a book, read it and then sell it back at half what you paid for it.  However, to be viable you need enough books that people want to read and enough new books.  Otherwise, you start losing customers after they have read all the books they are interested in.
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|  01-05-2015, 06:09 AM | #5 | 
| Feral Underclass            Posts: 3,622 Karma: 26821535 Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Yorkshire, tha noz Device: 2nd hand paperback | 
			
			Kindle Unlimited is the only one that lets you use an eink device. I don't know about Oyster, but Scribd uses scrambled text with a special unscrambling font.
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|  01-05-2015, 07:16 AM | #6 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000 | 
			
			I've seen no data that suggests any of them is long-term viable. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist but so far nobody is bragging about number of users or growth rate. It has been suggested they are profitable but only because a lot of their members don't actually use their services. (The claim I saw said less than 1 book a month on average.) Kinda like gym club memberships. That might be viable in the short term. Long term? I dunno. None of them appeals to me, although Juli Monroe of Teleread had this to say back in august: http://www.teleread.com/scribd/almos...anged-reading/ Last edited by fjtorres; 01-05-2015 at 07:34 AM. | 
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|  01-05-2015, 07:49 AM | #7 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 5,100 Karma: 18051062 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Device: Kindle Scribe, Coloursoft, PW SE, Kindle 6, Kobo Libra 2, Clara BW | 
			
			For me subscription services would need to include new releases and not just self published, I need some of the independant publishers in it that I currently buy from, right now only 1 author I read is in KU and I have all her books anyway.
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|  01-05-2015, 08:51 AM | #8 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 4,764 Karma: 246906703 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Device: Oasis 3, Oasis 2, PW3, PW1, KT | Quote: 
 A service that has unlimited reads per month including a fixed payout per read (e.g. 60% of list) without any other benefits may never be sustainable. Add perks to it that attracts subscribers that are not likely to "over-borrow" and it may work. A combination of unlimited borrows and credits to purchase (Scribd type of subscription combined with Entitle type of subscription) might possibly attract enough subscribers that don't over-borrow AND use up every credit per month. | |
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|  01-05-2015, 11:27 AM | #9 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 2,454 Karma: 5469320 Join Date: Jul 2010 Device: Kobo | 
			
			THIS!  And the fact that these services really only work for people who read a lot of books in a month.  I read daily, but I'm not as fast as the people that go through 4-5-10-20 books a month.  I don't thing there is a big enough number of those people to sustain these services.  A paper book used bookstore has a bigger market because they pick up those who might only buy periodically along with the voracious readers.  This is a narrower market (e-book) in a small market (voracious readers) and apparently with a (relatively speaking) narrow selection.
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|  01-05-2015, 11:49 AM | #10 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 5,837 Karma: 105490889 Join Date: Apr 2011 Device: pb360 | |
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|  01-05-2015, 12:52 PM | #11 | |
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 7,423 Karma: 52734361 Join Date: Oct 2010 Device: Kindle Fire, Kindle Paperwhite, AGPTek Bluetooth Clip | Quote: 
 I could see the subscription model working very well, depending mostly on the content offered and on the ability to use one's preferred device. | |
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|  01-05-2015, 12:59 PM | #12 | |
| Is that a sandwich?            Posts: 8,314 Karma: 103930826 Join Date: Jun 2010 Device: Nook Glowlight Plus | Quote: 
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|  01-05-2015, 02:17 PM | #13 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,817 Karma: 23400001 Join Date: May 2012 Location: USA Device: K1/K3/BasicK Voyage/Oasis1/Oasis3 | 
			
			I hope they stick around, I love the idea and right now I love Scribd. I had KU also, but cancelled that for lack of content. Scribd has many of the publishers and authors I like to read. Not brand new releases, but I see stuff a couple of years back. Considering that everything is  in some sort of series, I usually have to read the back list first with most new releases anyway. I am OCD with reading in order, even if its a very faint connection. I still have to read book 1 first.  I read a lot, I use a subscription, I use the library (ebooks) and I still buy books and new releases. I break even pretty much and then some if I read 4 books a month with Scribd. Then I have my already owned books, library stuff, stuff that just comes up because of reasons, etc. I think voracious type readers have always had many ways to get their book. I don't think its ever just one or the other. I wish I could read Scribd on e-ink, but my Fire 6 an Nexus do pretty well with that. I would have loved KU if it had all the publishers Scribd managed to get. But oh well. I go where the content is. I want to read what I want to read, not read stuff I wouldn't normally read and just do now to break even on the monthly fee. I know Scribd just signed a large publisher for a year contract, so I assume they are good for at least another year.   | 
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|  01-05-2015, 02:32 PM | #14 | 
| Addict            Posts: 300 Karma: 396757 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: new oasis, paperwhite, ipad, kobo | 
			
			It definitely seems a weird conclusion - first of all because the four companies are obviously NOT doing things the same way (Oyster and Scribd seem to be, but Kindle Unlimited and Entitle don't) but also because 'new service not yet profitable' isn't the same thing as 'formerly profitable service unable to maintain business'. Having said that, I like Scribd's selection but hate their font and lack of customization and, of course, being forced to read on an app or browser and will cancel my 30 day free trial before it goes paid. I like Kindle Unlimited's ability to be read in eink with all that entails (and it's actually fine for rereads, because unlike the lending to a friend program, you can borrow a book multiple times) but the selection is relatively poor and I only subbed for 2 months. This isn't helped by the fact that browsing for eligible books is a huge pain and trying to figure out what beyond the highlighted high-profile books were available through it was frustrating. If their catalogue increases, I'd consider it again. | 
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|  01-05-2015, 02:33 PM | #15 | 
| Addict            Posts: 300 Karma: 396757 Join Date: Nov 2007 Device: new oasis, paperwhite, ipad, kobo | 
			
			Oh, and a friend of mine with a 10 year old finds Kindle Unlimited absolutely perfect for saving the number of times per week they need to go to the library!
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