Ice Wine the new Kindle Paperwhite - Page 2

JSWolf · 06-18-2014, 01:56 AM

Death to buttons (except the power button)!

If this new Kindle rumor is true, I can see lots of people hating it because it has no page turn buttons. I have no idea why page turn buttons are so important to some. Heck, if I use an old device without a touch screen, I find myself sometime trying to turn the page by touching the screen. It's frustrating not to have a touch screen.

meeera · 06-18-2014, 01:59 AM

I'm in favour of well-placed ergonomic buttons and a touch screen. Touch screen for navigation/menus/keyboard, and the option of page turn buttons so that you can rest your thumb on it and you don't have to be constantly changing hand positions/moving thumb or finger around while reading.

Buttons can also be useful for people with hand tremors who struggle to tap a screen cleanly.

JSWolf · 06-18-2014, 02:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by meeera

I'm in favour of well-placed ergonomic buttons and a touch screen. Touch screen for navigation/menus/keyboard, and the option of page turn buttons so that you can rest your thumb on it and you don't have to be constantly changing hand positions/moving thumb or finger around while reading.

Buttons can also be useful for people with hand tremors who struggle to tap a screen cleanly.

An ergonomically placed buttons are buttons looking to get in the way of where the hand rests to hold the device and turn the page. The only place to put buttons that won't be in the way are at the bottom like Sony did.

I know a touch screen can be an issue to someone with hand tremors. There are still older devices with buttons (for now). The thing is, I cannot see Amazon putting in buttons. They didn't for the PW1 & 2 and why would they for the next Kindle?

fjtorres · 06-18-2014, 07:04 AM

Thin may be a result, not a goal.

Namely: if they (finally!!!) move to plastic substrate screens there will be less need for reinforcement so designing weight out also results in a thinner device. In trying for a more durable, lighter device they also get one that is thinner.
And of course, "thinner" could simply be a trivial sub-millimeter change.

We'll see.
Just not today.

jehane · 06-18-2014, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

An ergonomically placed buttons are buttons looking to get in the way of where the hand rests to hold the device and turn the page.

Buttons require some pressure, unlike touchscreen. So they don't get in the way (unless you hold your reader in a deathgrip) and are convenient for those of us who read on bus commutes and only have one hand available to both hold the reader and turn the page. The other hand being occupied holding on to a strap or pole with a deathgrip to maintain balance.

Another reason I like physical buttons is for reading in the bath, when I put my reader in a ziploc bag. My PRS-300 worked well there, but the T1 less so since the touchscreen responds to the bag.

And (but wait, there's more!) when I'm reading outdoors (eg, bus stop) and insects persist in landing on my reader and turning the page I really wish I could turn off the touchscreen response temporarily and just use the page turn buttons.

So just because *you* don't like buttons doesn't mean there aren't other people who *do* want them and the more variety there is in devices, the better off we'll all be.

Barty · 06-20-2014, 12:23 AM

^^^ just be glad they haven't gotten rid of the power button. No doubt they've thought about it.

This rumor is pretty weak. Thinner? Shocking!

tubemonkey · 06-20-2014, 12:44 AM

The next Paperwhite will be a large 8-way button with the display projected above the surface (so your thumbs won't block the text) via Amazon's magic 3-D technology.

eschwartz · 06-20-2014, 01:28 AM

The next PaperWhite will be beamed directly into our brains.

Like all Kindles, it has an ad-supported (default) option.

din155 · 06-20-2014, 05:23 AM

Someone had to bring Apple into this discussion. I am sure there won't be air in the name of new kindle

Wolfies · 06-20-2014, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by AnemicOak

Then they can show how much thinner than a pencil it is in commercials.

That would convince me to buy it

HarryT · 06-20-2014, 10:19 AM

Surely it depends how big the pencil is that it's being compared to

eschwartz · 06-20-2014, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by din155

Someone had to bring Apple into this discussion. I am sure there won't be air in the name of new kindle

And why not? Just look at the price of the Fire phone...

(

was that too serious?)

mewmartigan · 06-20-2014, 11:02 AM

mmm, i like ice wine. If its called the Kindle Ice Wine I will have to buy it day 1.

As we get closer to September the rumors will become more concrete.

din155 · 06-20-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by eschwartz

And why not? Just look at the price of the Fire phone...

(

was that too serious?)

Why do I keep thinking of Firefly every time someone mentions Fire phone

tubemonkey · 06-20-2014, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by din155

Why do I keep thinking of Firefly every time someone mentions Fire phone

Could be this is why

06-20-2014, 01:28 AM	#23
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	The next PaperWhite will be beamed directly into our brains. Like all Kindles, it has an ad-supported (default) option. Last edited by eschwartz; 06-20-2014 at 02:04 AM. Reason: is ad-supported to has option

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06-18-2014, 01:56 AM	#16
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,228 Karma: 148951761 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Death to buttons (except the power button)! If this new Kindle rumor is true, I can see lots of people hating it because it has no page turn buttons. I have no idea why page turn buttons are so important to some. Heck, if I use an old device without a touch screen, I find myself sometime trying to turn the page by touching the screen. It's frustrating not to have a touch screen.

06-18-2014, 01:59 AM	#17
meeera Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,837 Karma: 68407974 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Libra 2, iPadMini4, iPad4, MBP; support other Kobo/Kindles	I'm in favour of well-placed ergonomic buttons and a touch screen. Touch screen for navigation/menus/keyboard, and the option of page turn buttons so that you can rest your thumb on it and you don't have to be constantly changing hand positions/moving thumb or finger around while reading. Buttons can also be useful for people with hand tremors who struggle to tap a screen cleanly.

06-18-2014, 07:04 AM	#19
fjtorres Grand Sorcerer Posts: 11,732 Karma: 128354696 Join Date: May 2009 Location: 26 kly from Sgr A* Device: T100TA,PW2,PRS-T1,KT,FireHD 8.9,K2, PB360,BeBook One,Axim51v,TC1000	Thin may be a result, not a goal. Namely: if they (finally!!!) move to plastic substrate screens there will be less need for reinforcement so designing weight out also results in a thinner device. In trying for a more durable, lighter device they also get one that is thinner. And of course, "thinner" could simply be a trivial sub-millimeter change. We'll see. Just not today.

06-20-2014, 12:23 AM	#21
Barty doofus Posts: 2,554 Karma: 13089041 Join Date: Sep 2010 Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kindle Voyage	^^^ just be glad they haven't gotten rid of the power button. No doubt they've thought about it. This rumor is pretty weak. Thinner? Shocking!

06-20-2014, 12:44 AM	#22
tubemonkey monkey on the fringe Posts: 45,799 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show	The next Paperwhite will be a large 8-way button with the display projected above the surface (so your thumbs won't block the text) via Amazon's magic 3-D technology.

06-20-2014, 05:23 AM	#24
din155 Guru Posts: 880 Karma: 7556602 Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: UK Device: Kindle PW, Win 10 thinkpad 8in	Someone had to bring Apple into this discussion. I am sure there won't be air in the name of new kindle

06-20-2014, 10:19 AM	#26
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06-20-2014, 11:02 AM	#28
mewmartigan Guru Posts: 852 Karma: 8242060 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: Kindle Oasis (2019)	mmm, i like ice wine. If its called the Kindle Ice Wine I will have to buy it day 1. As we get closer to September the rumors will become more concrete.