having difficulty downloading Sigil onto Linux - Page 3

eschwartz · 02-20-2014, 02:54 PM

well, that is gnome-schedule,

so +1 on figuring out the right task scheduler.

Apparently, on Ubuntu you should be using

Code:

gksudo gnome-schedule

which is essentially the same program but with a slightly different name (we don't need to get into why).

It asked you to install gksu in addition, since it didn't have it yet, and was just asking yes/no should it be installed. If you run that command again, and type "Y" and click enter, it will install gksu.

Or try "gksudo gnome-scheduler" which should already be there.

Anyway, you will get update notifications in linux too, it's just why settle for notifications if you can get automatic updates?

Gregg Bell · 02-21-2014, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmikel

I think that is about right, Gregg. I would trust the Fix HTML more than Tidy, but I would be Reagan-esque about it: Trust but verify! It is just about impossible to conceive of every case when you are creating a way to do something.

To me, Linux is just about similar enough in appearance to Windows to lead you to think they are similar. They are not. Windows is a closed environment within the program itself, but Linux is designed to be built from parts, if I understand it correctly. It impresses me a something like a Formula One car, which can be souped up for fantastic performance, but which may require a ride along mechanic!

What a great description! A Formula One car with a ride along mechanic.

So if 'Beautify all' is similar to 'Pretty Print' would you say to leave the 'Beautify all' on all the time (which is what I did with Pretty Print in Sigil)?

I didn't know Linux was fundamentally different than Windows. How interesting.

That's good to know. Thanks a lot.

Gregg Bell · 02-21-2014, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschwartz

well, that is gnome-schedule,

so +1 on figuring out the right task scheduler.

Apparently, on Ubuntu you should be using

Code:

gksudo gnome-schedule

which is essentially the same program but with a slightly different name (we don't need to get into why).

It asked you to install gksu in addition, since it didn't have it yet, and was just asking yes/no should it be installed. If you run that command again, and type "Y" and click enter, it will install gksu.

Or try "gksudo gnome-scheduler" which should already be there.

Anyway, you will get update notifications in linux too, it's just why settle for notifications if you can get automatic updates?

I set up the automatic updates in the Task Scheduler I already had. I got this window (see #36) when I clicked on Add. I just clicked ok on it, and the task showed up (see #37). I was going to do it like you said at a time I was sleeping but then I Googled to see if the tasks would be performed if the computer wasn't on and they (in a Ubuntu forum) said no. So I scheduled the updates for "reboot." Which I'm fine with.

Then I went to do the task that makes sure Calibre has been updated (for "bonus points"). (And btw, that "Is" in the Command box in the scheduler gets deleted, right?) And I initially scheduled it for "reboot" as well. But when I hit the final OK button the task did not appear in the Task Scheduler. Then I thought maybe it didn't show because I was scheduling them both as reboot so I rescheduled it for, I think, every monday at 14:00 (2pm). Still no luck. I took a screenshot of what I entered (#38 screenshot).

So I feel I got it half done anyway. (Progress not perfection!)

Thanks!

eschwartz · 02-24-2014, 02:35 AM

I believe you will have to make sure the task is run as the root user or else it will silently fail when you don't supply the password.

Save the following attachment in your home folder. Extract it from the zipped compression (right-click and "Extract Here") then open a terminal and run these two commands to a) move the upgrade script to the executable directory and b) make the script belong to root:

Code:

sudo mv calibre-upgrade.sh /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh
sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh

Then run this:

Code:

sudo EDITOR="gedit" crontab -e

This will open the root crontab in the graphical text editor.

I figured this is not the time for you to start learning nano or (heaven forbid) vim.

EDIT: Because vim is a complicated sysadmin tool, not because its a bad editor.

paste this line on the bottom, on a new line:

Code:

0 6 * * 5 /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh > /dev/null 2>&1

Then press enter, as crontab must end with a newline or it goes kablooey.

Save the file, and it will update your crontab and install the auto-update code.

Install "anacron" in the software center, and missed jobs should be carried out shortly after you reboot.

eschwartz · 02-24-2014, 10:24 PM

Explanation of

Code:

0 6 * * 5 /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh > /dev/null 2>&1

cron jobs (when viewed as a configuration file, not in the GUI) take the form of:

five numbers, separated by spaces, followed by the command to be carried out.

The numbers say when to do it:

Quote:

first number = minute, 0-59
second number = hour, 0-23
third number = day of month, 1-31
fourth number = month, 1-12
fifth number = day of the week, 1-7 is monday through sunday

asterisks are the wildcard, so they mean on all possible days/minutes/hours.

0 6 * * 5 is saying, at 0 minutes of the 6th hour, or 6:00, (army time) on any day of the month or any month of the year, but only if it is a friday, do this job.

Gregg Bell · 02-25-2014, 01:51 AM

Hey eschwartz. Got bogged down. Saved the attachment you gave me (it saved in "downloads" in the Home directory). Did the extract. Opened the terminal. Put in the first code in and it didn't seem to take. So I did it again and it did. (At least I noticed the word 'root' in there.) But then when I entered the second code it shut me down. I opened the 'chown help' but couldn't figure a way to use it.

eschwartz · 02-25-2014, 02:13 AM

The command I gave was to move it from in the home folder, if you have saved it in Downloads, the file is "Downloads/calibre-upgrade.sh" not "calibre-upgrade.sh".

Move the file to the Home directory or try this:

Code:

sudo mv Downloads/calibre-upgrade.sh /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh

Then enter

Code:

sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh

And finally

Code:

sudo EDITOR="gedit" crontab -e

which will open gEdit and you will paste

Code:

0 6 * * 5 /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh > /dev/null 2>&1

on a new line. Make sure to press enter afterward to begin an empty line.

If the terminal tells you "mv: cannot stat '/path/to/file': No such file or directory." It means the first command, to "mv" or "move" the file, couldn't find the file to move.

chown wouldn't work because it couldn't find the file, and afterward because the next command ended up at the end somehow; you told it

Code:

sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.shsudo EDITOR="gedit" crontab -e

instead of

Code:

sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh

Make sure you don't accidentally paste two lines instead of one!

And don't worry, this may seem confusing now but eventually, with practice, you will get the hang of it.

Also, for fun, here is a link to the command line tutorial I used to first learn how to do this stuff: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/

Enjoy!

Gregg Bell · 02-26-2014, 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschwartz

The command I gave was to move it from in the home folder, if you have saved it in Downloads, the file is "Downloads/calibre-upgrade.sh" not "calibre-upgrade.sh".

Move the file to the Home directory or try this:

Code:

sudo mv Downloads/calibre-upgrade.sh /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh

Then enter

Code:

sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh

And finally

Code:

sudo EDITOR="gedit" crontab -e

which will open gEdit and you will paste

Code:

0 6 * * 5 /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh > /dev/null 2>&1

on a new line. Make sure to press enter afterward to begin an empty line.

If the terminal tells you "mv: cannot stat '/path/to/file': No such file or directory." It means the first command, to "mv" or "move" the file, couldn't find the file to move.

chown wouldn't work because it couldn't find the file, and afterward because the next command ended up at the end somehow; you told it

Code:

sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.shsudo EDITOR="gedit" crontab -e

instead of

Code:

sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh

Make sure you don't accidentally paste two lines instead of one!

And don't worry, this may seem confusing now but eventually, with practice, you will get the hang of it.

Also, for fun, here is a link to the command line tutorial I used to first learn how to do this stuff: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/

Enjoy!

Thanks eschwartz, but I'm just chasing my tail with this stuff at this point. (I need a better grasp of the basics.) First of all. You say put the file in the Home folder/directory. Well, the 'downloads' is in the home directory. Is there a certain place in the Home directory it should be in?

And I tried the alternative method. Right away (after posting:

Code:

sudo mv Downloads/calibre-upgrade.sh /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh

I got hit with this message:

"mv: cannot stat '/path/to/file': No such file or directory."

I need something to fall back on before I attempt this stuff. As it is, one false move and I'm skunked.

So far what I've done is this (see screenshot). I've tried to delete it but been unable to. Do you think it's okay to just leave it? And if not, can you tell me how to delete it.

I'll get this stuff better in a while and I'll come back and try your suggestions again.

I already feel like I've learned a good bit, and I really do appreciate the help. Thanks!

eschwartz · 02-26-2014, 01:15 AM

Ok sure, that's fine. For the future, you may want to remember that the exact location of stuff is important, since the computer cannot usually guess where to find it.

You can leave the task there, worst that can happen is it works.

Try the tutorial here: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ whenever you get the chance, I found it to be very helpful, especially in understanding how files and directories relate to each other. It will deal with basic stuff, like moving files around, showing their contents, teach you the manual and apropos commands, stuff like that.

And when you feel ready for it, come back and set this going! By then you may be able to recreate it from scratch anyway!

In the meantime you can just double-click the file you downloaded to manually update, which is faster than going to the website to copy-paste a line anyway.

Gregg Bell · 02-27-2014, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eschwartz

Ok sure, that's fine. For the future, you may want to remember that the exact location of stuff is important, since the computer cannot usually guess where to find it.

You can leave the task there, worst that can happen is it works.

Try the tutorial here: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ whenever you get the chance, I found it to be very helpful, especially in understanding how files and directories relate to each other. It will deal with basic stuff, like moving files around, showing their contents, teach you the manual and apropos commands, stuff like that.

And when you feel ready for it, come back and set this going! By then you may be able to recreate it from scratch anyway!

In the meantime you can just double-click the file you downloaded to manually update, which is faster than going to the website to copy-paste a line anyway.

Thanks eschwartz. I'm learning tons. It's a little overwhelming at times but so interesting too. I'm going to look at that tutorial you gave me tonight. Appreciate all the help tons!

mrmikel · 02-27-2014, 06:29 AM

I see a new book in sight, Gregg's Nearly Interminable Adventure's in Linux Land, or is it is Gregg in Wonderland? (grin)

Your persistence is highly commendable. I don't think it is so hard, just that people are used to Windows having been around it forever.

I still have a manual for DOS 6 upgrade from 20 years ago. It goes into great detail about editing config.sys and autoexec.bat and running the memory optimization program. I am not nostalgic for those days at all.

Gregg Bell · 03-01-2014, 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmikel

I see a new book in sight, Gregg's Nearly Interminable Adventure's in Linux Land, or is it is Gregg in Wonderland? (grin)

Your persistence is highly commendable. I don't think it is so hard, just that people are used to Windows having been around it forever.

I still have a manual for DOS 6 upgrade from 20 years ago. It goes into great detail about editing config.sys and autoexec.bat and running the memory optimization program. I am not nostalgic for those days at all.

You got me!

(And I needed the laugh big-time! Thanks!) I'm leaning toward 'Gregg in Wonderland.' It has me more dazed and confused than the other. But the other is good too. I'll have to mull it over.

Here' the dilemma in a nutshell: Downloading instructions for software:

1) Windows: Press the green button

2)Linux : Read the documentation first (800 pages). Then use the Ubuntu Software Center. Or if that doesn't work, the Synaptic Center (be sure to read the documentation for that first (400 pages)). Then that might not work so try apt (be sure to have Sudo installed and read the documentation (374 pages). If apt doesn't work, then try aptitude and if aptitude doesn't work try a repository and if nothing works, read the entire Ubuntu documentation (430,000 pages). And whatever you do, remember, it's like we keep telling you, Linux is really easy.

I am having fun learning it, though. And like you said once you start getting a few of the basic concepts it's less intimidating.

Thanks for the help (and the laugh)!

Jellby · 03-01-2014, 03:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

Here' the dilemma in a nutshell: Downloading instructions for software:

1) Windows: Press the green button

2)Linux : Read the documentation first (800 pages). Then use the Ubuntu Software Center. Or if that doesn't work, the Synaptic Center (be sure to read the documentation for that first (400 pages)). Then that might not work so try apt (be sure to have Sudo installed and read the documentation (374 pages). If apt doesn't work, then try aptitude and if aptitude doesn't work try a repository and if nothing works, read the entire Ubuntu documentation (430,000 pages). And whatever you do, remember, it's like we keep telling you, Linux is really easy.

Once you get the knack of it, it becomes:

1) Windows: Google the program. Try to find which is the homepage, don't get lost among all the other spammy, add-stuffed webpages that offer the download. Find the download page. Choose your version of windows, or make sure it is supported (XP? Vista? 8? 64bits?). Click the green button. Save the installer (you want to keep the installer file for backup, don't you?). Find where the hell you saved the installer. Run it. Chose where you want it installed (one user? system-wide?). Unselect all the small pieces you don't want installed. Configure all kinds of paths...

2) Linux: apt-get install program_name

Bottom-line: both can be as simple or as complicated as you want

theducks · 03-01-2014, 10:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gregg Bell

You got me!

(And I needed the laugh big-time! Thanks!) I'm leaning toward 'Gregg in Wonderland.' It has me more dazed and confused than the other. But the other is good too. I'll have to mull it over.

Thanks for the help (and the laugh)!

Absurdly long titles are IN.

I can grep awk

Gregg Bell · 03-01-2014, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jellby

Once you get the knack of it, it becomes:

1) Windows: Google the program. Try to find which is the homepage, don't get lost among all the other spammy, add-stuffed webpages that offer the download. Find the download page. Choose your version of windows, or make sure it is supported (XP? Vista? 8? 64bits?). Click the green button. Save the installer (you want to keep the installer file for backup, don't you?). Find where the hell you saved the installer. Run it. Chose where you want it installed (one user? system-wide?). Unselect all the small pieces you don't want installed. Configure all kinds of paths...

2) Linux: apt-get install program_name

Bottom-line: both can be as simple or as complicated as you want

You got me there. There's a saying: "Stress is the product of an uninformed mind." And my mind has been woefully uniformed about Linux. But as the info. is coming in I'm calming down and very much liking what I'm getting to know about Linux. And you're right about the Windows downloads. And I can add all the 'add McAfee Security Site Checker' and all the 'candy' that you get hit up with on the downloading process.

Is there anyplace on MR that people discuss Linux? (I've already gotten restricted for asking too many questions at Ubuntu One--the limit is 6 in a 24hr period.) Thanks!

02-20-2014, 02:54 PM	#31
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	well, that is gnome-schedule, so +1 on figuring out the right task scheduler. Apparently, on Ubuntu you should be using Code: gksudo gnome-schedule which is essentially the same program but with a slightly different name (we don't need to get into why). It asked you to install gksu in addition, since it didn't have it yet, and was just asking yes/no should it be installed. If you run that command again, and type "Y" and click enter, it will install gksu. Or try "gksudo gnome-scheduler" which should already be there. Anyway, you will get update notifications in linux too, it's just why settle for notifications if you can get automatic updates?

02-26-2014, 01:15 AM	#39
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	Ok sure, that's fine. For the future, you may want to remember that the exact location of stuff is important, since the computer cannot usually guess where to find it. You can leave the task there, worst that can happen is it works. Try the tutorial here: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ whenever you get the chance, I found it to be very helpful, especially in understanding how files and directories relate to each other. It will deal with basic stuff, like moving files around, showing their contents, teach you the manual and apropos commands, stuff like that. And when you feel ready for it, come back and set this going! By then you may be able to recreate it from scratch anyway! In the meantime you can just double-click the file you downloaded to manually update, which is faster than going to the website to copy-paste a line anyway. Last edited by eschwartz; 02-26-2014 at 01:19 AM.

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02-25-2014, 01:51 AM	#36
Gregg Bell Gregg Bell Posts: 2,266 Karma: 3917598 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Itasca, Illinois Device: Kindle Touch 7, Sony PRS300, Fire HD8 Tablet	bogged down Hey eschwartz. Got bogged down. Saved the attachment you gave me (it saved in "downloads" in the Home directory). Did the extract. Opened the terminal. Put in the first code in and it didn't seem to take. So I did it again and it did. (At least I noticed the word 'root' in there.) But then when I entered the second code it shut me down. I opened the 'chown help' but couldn't figure a way to use it. Attached Thumbnails

02-25-2014, 02:13 AM	#37
eschwartz Ex-Helpdesk Junkie Posts: 19,421 Karma: 85400180 Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: The Beaten Path, USA, Roundworld, This Side of Infinity Device: Kindle Touch fw5.3.7 (Wifi only)	The command I gave was to move it from in the home folder, if you have saved it in Downloads, the file is "Downloads/calibre-upgrade.sh" not "calibre-upgrade.sh". Move the file to the Home directory or try this: Code: sudo mv Downloads/calibre-upgrade.sh /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh Then enter Code: sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh And finally Code: sudo EDITOR="gedit" crontab -e which will open gEdit and you will paste Code: 0 6 * * 5 /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh > /dev/null 2>&1 on a new line. Make sure to press enter afterward to begin an empty line. If the terminal tells you "mv: cannot stat '/path/to/file': No such file or directory." It means the first command, to "mv" or "move" the file, couldn't find the file to move. chown wouldn't work because it couldn't find the file, and afterward because the next command ended up at the end somehow; you told it Code: sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.shsudo EDITOR="gedit" crontab -e instead of Code: sudo chown root:root /usr/bin/calibre-upgrade.sh Make sure you don't accidentally paste two lines instead of one! And don't worry, this may seem confusing now but eventually, with practice, you will get the hang of it. Also, for fun, here is a link to the command line tutorial I used to first learn how to do this stuff: http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Teaching/Unix/ Enjoy! Last edited by eschwartz; 02-25-2014 at 02:22 AM.

02-27-2014, 06:29 AM	#41
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	I see a new book in sight, Gregg's Nearly Interminable Adventure's in Linux Land, or is it is Gregg in Wonderland? (grin) Your persistence is highly commendable. I don't think it is so hard, just that people are used to Windows having been around it forever. I still have a manual for DOS 6 upgrade from 20 years ago. It goes into great detail about editing config.sys and autoexec.bat and running the memory optimization program. I am not nostalgic for those days at all.