Sigil changes markup of empty elements when the document is saved

ibu · 08-11-2013, 02:51 AM

I used an empty element like

Code:

<div class="pause" />

Sigil changes the markup automatically into

Code:

<div class="pause"></div>

when the document is saved.

Can I prevent that?

Note:
Sigil does not replace

Code:

<hr />

Thanks.

Toxaris · 08-11-2013, 03:37 AM

You know it is the same, right? The difference is that hr (and also some others like br, img) do not have a closing tag.
Although they are the same and it is valid, it does not matter.
You could try different cleaning options. If that does not work, it is probably a side effect.

ibu · 08-11-2013, 03:44 AM

@Toxaris
For empty elements I prefer the short form.

Well, OK, I just wanted to know, if you can change the behaviour of Sigil.

To be not missunderstood:
I don't want to clean that element. It has a function.

theducks · 08-11-2013, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibu

@Toxaris
For empty elements I prefer the short form.

Well, OK, I just wanted to know, if you can change the behaviour of Sigil.

To be not missunderstood:
I don't want to clean that element. It has a function.

That is a function of the cleaning options you set in preferences. You do not get the option to fine tune each of THOSE choices.

mrmikel · 08-11-2013, 09:05 AM

I suspect this behavior is a conscious choice on the part of the developers. It may facilitate the operation of flightcrew or other functions in the program to have everything standardized one way, with the few exceptions for hr, br and image which are nearly always self closing.

exaltedwombat · 08-12-2013, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibu

I used an empty element like

Code:

<div class="pause" />

Sigil changes the markup automatically into

Code:

<div class="pause"></div>

when the document is saved.

Can I prevent that?

Note:
Sigil does not replace

Code:

<hr />

Thanks.

You can prevent the automatic cleanup when opening and closing a file. But if you DO run cleanup, you're going to get the closing tag added.

What does the element do for you? Could it do it just as well with a closing tag?

ibu · 08-12-2013, 11:45 AM

@exaltedwombat
Deactivating the complete cleanup is a to big disadvantage.

You asked what the element does for me.
For an element without content it's just the nicest markup.

No more, no less.

No I know, that there's no solution in sigil for the problem, so I will live with the markup which is less nice. That's OK.

exaltedwombat · 08-12-2013, 11:55 AM

I ALWAYS deactivate the auto cleanup. If I want a file cleaned, I can ask for it!

You said "I don't want to clean that element. It has a function. "
Will you satisfy my curiosity? What function?

ibu · 08-12-2013, 12:13 PM

@exaltedwombat
Sigil does not offer a list of all code which it will be cleaned, when you affirm.
That's why I give up the wish to be asked before.
But I agree with you. It's better to be asked for all critical cleaning actions.

Ok, I give an example for the empty element. Please understand my reservation about that. I don't want to run into a new discussion of "what is good markup" again. Like in a thread some days ago.

In many books the editor/author uses a single empty paragraph to indicate a change of the perspective or the change of the time inside a chapter - where a split with a new chapter would be a to strong instrument.

For such a purpose
<div class="pause" />
it's nice markup.

A margin-bottom for the paragraph before or a margin-top for the paragraph behind is not appropriate.

The pause does not "belong" to only one these two paragraphs. But more important:
there's semantic in the message. Therefor CSS is not a good choice.

exaltedwombat · 08-12-2013, 01:39 PM

Yes, that's a pretty common layout use of an empty div. Don't see how it gets you out of using css though - the class "pause" would have to be defined in the stylesheet as something like:

.pause{
padding-top:1em;
}

in order to have any effect - and that's css!

Sure, code it as an empty element, neither FlightCrew, EpubCheck or Kindle Previewer seem to care. If you decide to run Cleanup in Sigil, and it wants it to have a closing tag, no-one except you will ever know. I like minimal code too, but life's too short!

08-11-2013, 02:51 AM	#1
ibu Addict Posts: 264 Karma: 9246 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: Kobo H20, iPhone 6+, Macbook Pro	Sigil changes markup of empty elements when the document is saved I used an empty element like Code: <div class="pause" /> Sigil changes the markup automatically into Code: <div class="pause"></div> when the document is saved. Can I prevent that? Note: Sigil does not replace Code: <hr /> Thanks.

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08-11-2013, 03:37 AM	#2
Toxaris Wizard Posts: 4,520 Karma: 121692313 Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Heemskerk, NL Device: PRS-T1, Kobo Touch, Kobo Aura	You know it is the same, right? The difference is that hr (and also some others like br, img) do not have a closing tag. Although they are the same and it is valid, it does not matter. You could try different cleaning options. If that does not work, it is probably a side effect.

08-11-2013, 03:44 AM	#3
ibu Addict Posts: 264 Karma: 9246 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: Kobo H20, iPhone 6+, Macbook Pro	@Toxaris For empty elements I prefer the short form. Well, OK, I just wanted to know, if you can change the behaviour of Sigil. To be not missunderstood: I don't want to clean that element. It has a function.

08-11-2013, 09:05 AM	#5
mrmikel Color me gone Posts: 2,089 Karma: 1445295 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Central Oregon Coast Device: PRS-300	I suspect this behavior is a conscious choice on the part of the developers. It may facilitate the operation of flightcrew or other functions in the program to have everything standardized one way, with the few exceptions for hr, br and image which are nearly always self closing.

08-12-2013, 11:45 AM	#7
ibu Addict Posts: 264 Karma: 9246 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: Kobo H20, iPhone 6+, Macbook Pro	@exaltedwombat Deactivating the complete cleanup is a to big disadvantage. You asked what the element does for me. For an element without content it's just the nicest markup. No more, no less. No I know, that there's no solution in sigil for the problem, so I will live with the markup which is less nice. That's OK.

08-12-2013, 11:55 AM	#8
exaltedwombat Guru Posts: 878 Karma: 2457540 Join Date: Nov 2011 Device: none	I ALWAYS deactivate the auto cleanup. If I want a file cleaned, I can ask for it! You said "I don't want to clean that element. It has a function. " Will you satisfy my curiosity? What function?

08-12-2013, 12:13 PM	#9
ibu Addict Posts: 264 Karma: 9246 Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Berlin, Germany Device: Kobo H20, iPhone 6+, Macbook Pro	@exaltedwombat Sigil does not offer a list of all code which it will be cleaned, when you affirm. That's why I give up the wish to be asked before. But I agree with you. It's better to be asked for all critical cleaning actions. Ok, I give an example for the empty element. Please understand my reservation about that. I don't want to run into a new discussion of "what is good markup" again. Like in a thread some days ago. In many books the editor/author uses a single empty paragraph to indicate a change of the perspective or the change of the time inside a chapter - where a split with a new chapter would be a to strong instrument. For such a purpose <div class="pause" /> it's nice markup. A margin-bottom for the paragraph before or a margin-top for the paragraph behind is not appropriate. The pause does not "belong" to only one these two paragraphs. But more important: there's semantic in the message. Therefor CSS is not a good choice.

08-12-2013, 01:39 PM	#10
exaltedwombat Guru Posts: 878 Karma: 2457540 Join Date: Nov 2011 Device: none	Yes, that's a pretty common layout use of an empty div. Don't see how it gets you out of using css though - the class "pause" would have to be defined in the stylesheet as something like: .pause{ padding-top:1em; } in order to have any effect - and that's css! Sure, code it as an empty element, neither FlightCrew, EpubCheck or Kindle Previewer seem to care. If you decide to run Cleanup in Sigil, and it wants it to have a closing tag, no-one except you will ever know. I like minimal code too, but life's too short!