What font are you using on your PW? - Page 28

xtine · 02-02-2013, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Blossom

I was using size 5 when it happened. So I don't think that's it.

Oops. There goes my theory

DuckieTigger · 02-02-2013, 02:09 AM

Maybe we can blame the non-existant hyphenation algorithm. Maybe the justification algorithm thinks it looks better to cram words together rather than creating too much whitespace.

Blossom · 02-02-2013, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Maybe we can blame the non-existant hyphenation algorithm. Maybe the justification algorithm thinks it looks better to cram words together rather than creating too much whitespace.

Possible..

next time is happens I'll take notice.

I have after 3 hours of wading through so much jumble info extracted the PW fonts using KindleTool and few other programs. Wow that was fun! I learned alot. Now I have true copies of PW fonts I can modified them to my heart's content. I now have a true PW version of Condensed Caecilia! I is happy!

Now I must get some sleep!

Edit:
Who needs sleep?

I can now use Palatino! I made a Medium version of the font. I am learning the terms.

It looks so much better!

Katsunami · 02-02-2013, 11:16 AM

Has the line spacing decreased on this version of Palatino? It sure looks like it.

I've noticed that I've been reading with far bigger fonts than necessary on the PW. Many of my paperbacks use a font comparable to (my) DejaVu Serif on size 2, line spacing 3. (Yes, I counted and measured it.) I can read that well enough (in the book) despite my poor eyesight. On the Touch, everything below size 4 became unreadable because the darkness of the screen compared to a book, in most lightning conditions.

On the Paperwhite however, with the light boosted to 10 so the screen matchs the paperback in brightness, I can read DejaVu Serif size 2, spacing 3 without problems. I never tried anything smaller than 4 on the Touch.

In addition, I've found that I like to have more spacing when using smaller fonts, or I'll lose my line when reading. On size 2, I like spacing 3. On size 3, I can get away with spacing 2. And on size 4, I can use spacing 1. Actually, size 3 spacing 2 fits more characters per page than size 2 spacing 3 (1584 vs. 1530), while the fonts are larger

I like that trade.

I think that DejaVu Serif size 3 spacing 2 (1584 c/p) is slowly replacing Caecilia size 4 spacing 1 (1305 c/p), and I've used DejaVu Serif size 4 spacing 1 (1429 c/p) as an intermediate step.

I'll post some screenshots later, and also try JSWolf's requested comparison between Charis SIL Compact size 3 spacing 1 vs. Caecilia size 3 spacing 1 using a KF8 book.

sparklemotion · 02-02-2013, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blossom

Possible..

next time is happens I'll take notice.

I have after 3 hours of wading through so much jumble info extracted the PW fonts using KindleTool and few other programs. Wow that was fun! I learned alot. Now I have true copies of PW fonts I can modified them to my heart's content. I now have a true PW version of Condensed Caecilia! I is happy!

Now I must get some sleep!

Edit:
Who needs sleep?

I can now use Palatino! I made a Medium version of the font. I am learning the terms.

It looks so much better!

Nice work, Blossom! I think Amazon should hire you so we can have better looking fonts on the Kindle.

Yolina · 02-02-2013, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blossom

I can now use Palatino! I made a Medium version of the font. I am learning the terms.

It looks so much better!

That looks really nice

Blossom · 02-02-2013, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparklemotion

Nice work, Blossom! I think Amazon should hire you so we can have better looking fonts on the Kindle.

Thanks. I do know why it shows up so thin. Amazon could fix it. The line spacing issue is also on all extracted fonts. Amazon must use a settings file for default fonts that increase line spacing because they are more tight from the actual font file. I've yet to figure out how to fix this on mobi books.

I'm still surprise to find there is no real version of Condensed Caecilia. There is a Condensed Caecilia font file but it's identical inside of the regular Caecilia font....

I think I'm going to scale Palatino down a bit. It's too wide.

ersott · 02-02-2013, 01:56 PM

It's great blossom, you are an artist :-)

Blossom · 02-02-2013, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ersott

It's great blossom, you are an artist :-)

Nah not a artist. Anyone can do it. It's all auto. You just need the right tools. A real font creator like my hubby does it all by hand. He's the artist in the family. I'm the techie.

I will say I am almost happy with my fonts so I can spend more time reading!

sparklemotion · 02-02-2013, 02:22 PM

Blossom, I'm curious what fonts you are using now?

Blossom · 02-02-2013, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sparklemotion

Blossom, I'm curious what fonts you are using now?

I've got a nice collection of readable fonts!
I'm still tweaking Caecilia and Palatino but almost there!

Caecilia (Resized a bit and weight added)
Condensed Caecilia (This is regular Caecilia downsize by 5% and weight added)
Amasis Medium (a little bit of weight)
Condensed Amasis (Resized)
Gentium Book Basic (Resize up by 5%)
Charis SIL (Weight Added)
Palatino Medium (Resized and weight added)
Trebuchet Medium (weight added)
Nokia Pure (weight added)
TheSans Semibold (Thesis Sans)

Now unless someone posts a screenshot of a font on their Kindle I have no need to change. Fonts I tried but removed were Segoe, Georgia, Garamond, Palatino Nova, Calson, Gentium Basic and Fontin.

I'd probably keep Fontin if I had another slot but priorities, priorities....

DuckieTigger · 02-02-2013, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Katsunami

I've noticed that I've been reading with far bigger fonts than necessary on the PW.

Might have something to do with the increased resolution as well not only the light. The 600x800 6" screens only had 167 dpi, while the PW with the 758x1024 has 212 dpi.

Blossom · 02-02-2013, 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Might have something to do with the increased resolution as well not only the light. The 600x800 6" screens only had 167 dpi, while the PW with the 758x1024 has 212 dpi.

I think it has to do with font size difference between older Kindles and the PW. Size 4 is too small for me on most fonts. It was the size I use on my other Kindles including the Kindle Fire. Amazon needs to fix the font sizes the jump between sizes is really horrible compared to previous Kindles. I've been resizing fonts just to get the right size for me.

sparklemotion · 02-02-2013, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blossom

I've got a nice collection of readable fonts!
I'm still tweaking Caecilia and Palatino but almost there!

Caecilia (Resized a bit and weight added)
Condensed Caecilia (This is regular Caecilia downsize by 5% and weight added)
Amasis Medium (a little bit of weight)
Condensed Amasis (Resized)
Gentium Book Basic (Resize up by 5%)
Charis SIL (Weight Added)
Palatino Medium (Resized and weight added)
Trebuchet Medium (weight added)
Nokia Pure (weight added)
TheSans Semibold (Thesis Sans)

Now unless someone posts a screenshot of a font on their Kindle I have no need to change. Fonts I tried but removed were Segoe, Georgia, Garamond, Palatino Nova, Calson, Gentium Basic and Fontin.

I'd probably keep Fontin if I had another slot but priorities, priorities....

Very nice! I'm jealous of your font editing abilities! I agree to about the jump between font sizes. I find that really annoying too. It's much better on my other kindles.

astmario · 02-02-2013, 04:08 PM

Blossom upload those edited fonts for rest of us somewhere please

02-02-2013, 11:16 AM	#409
Katsunami Grand Sorcerer Posts: 6,111 Karma: 34000001 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: KPW1, KA1	Has the line spacing decreased on this version of Palatino? It sure looks like it. I've noticed that I've been reading with far bigger fonts than necessary on the PW. Many of my paperbacks use a font comparable to (my) DejaVu Serif on size 2, line spacing 3. (Yes, I counted and measured it.) I can read that well enough (in the book) despite my poor eyesight. On the Touch, everything below size 4 became unreadable because the darkness of the screen compared to a book, in most lightning conditions. On the Paperwhite however, with the light boosted to 10 so the screen matchs the paperback in brightness, I can read DejaVu Serif size 2, spacing 3 without problems. I never tried anything smaller than 4 on the Touch. In addition, I've found that I like to have more spacing when using smaller fonts, or I'll lose my line when reading. On size 2, I like spacing 3. On size 3, I can get away with spacing 2. And on size 4, I can use spacing 1. Actually, size 3 spacing 2 fits more characters per page than size 2 spacing 3 (1584 vs. 1530), while the fonts are larger I like that trade. I think that DejaVu Serif size 3 spacing 2 (1584 c/p) is slowly replacing Caecilia size 4 spacing 1 (1305 c/p), and I've used DejaVu Serif size 4 spacing 1 (1429 c/p) as an intermediate step. I'll post some screenshots later, and also try JSWolf's requested comparison between Charis SIL Compact size 3 spacing 1 vs. Caecilia size 3 spacing 1 using a KF8 book. Last edited by Katsunami; 02-02-2013 at 11:18 AM.

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02-02-2013, 02:09 AM	#407
DuckieTigger Wizard Posts: 4,764 Karma: 246906703 Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Device: Oasis 3, Oasis 2, PW3, PW1, KT	Maybe we can blame the non-existant hyphenation algorithm. Maybe the justification algorithm thinks it looks better to cram words together rather than creating too much whitespace.

02-02-2013, 01:56 PM	#413
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