Piracy forces game to be made Freely available - Page 2

Hellmark · 08-03-2012, 06:53 PM

You guys haven't put him in the ignore list yet?

Giggleton · 08-03-2012, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjalawyer

Neither are those who post limited versions of their work and place the rest behind a paywall. The future is one of donation based compensation for creation, there is no other route.

kennyc · 08-03-2012, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hellmark

You guys haven't put him in the ignore list yet?

Oh yeah. But saw the qouted post

Ninjalawyer · 08-04-2012, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

Neither are those who post limited versions of their work and place the rest behind a paywall. The future is one of donation based compensation for creation, there is no other route.

Actually, there are many other routes; luckily for those that don't want to pay even $0.99 for an app, there are many free alternatives.

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Originally Posted by Hellmark

You guys haven't put him in the ignore list yet?

I never ignore anyone on a moderated forum. Mods keep out the worst cases so it's usually not an issue, and I'd always worry that I was just ignoring people to avoid seeing opinions that don't match my own; using ignore always struck me as a bit masturbatory.

tompe · 08-04-2012, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninjalawyer

I never ignore anyone on a moderated forum. Mods keep out the worst cases so it's usually not an issue, and I'd always worry that I was just ignoring people to avoid seeing opinions that don't match my own; using ignore always struck me as a bit masturbatory.

And telling on the forum that you ignore somebody I read as an attack on the person. You are saying that this person cannot write anything interesting. I think the rule here is that you ignore people silently and if it is not it should be.

WhichP · 08-04-2012, 06:23 AM

I think play for free games are good in general but it really depends on how the publisher/developer ends up making money from it. If they make their cash from cosmetic items then it's fine, but as soon as you start having to purchase 'content' that is integral to the experience of the game then I would immediatley drop it.

kennyc · 08-04-2012, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Ninjalawyer

... using ignore always struck me as a bit masturbatory.

And what's wrong with that?

tompe · 08-04-2012, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by kennyc

And what's wrong with that?

Nothing, but just do not do it in public.

Giggleton · 08-04-2012, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ninjalawyer

Actually, there are many other routes; luckily for those that don't want to pay even $0.99 for an app, there are many free alternatives.

What route will take us to universal access for all, the library?

Yes the OP mentioned a game but all creation is text, ebooks.

In the age passed, every printed text was required to be placed into a library for the common good, does the advent of the digital erase this need of the commons?

Maybe it is time for a new thread.

MikeOxlittle · 08-04-2012, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by WhichP

I think play for free games are good in general but it really depends on how the publisher/developer ends up making money from it. If they make their cash from cosmetic items then it's fine, but as soon as you start having to purchase 'content' that is integral to the experience of the game then I would immediatley drop it.

Team Fortress 2 is a good example of this.

It was originally released in 2004 or so and is still very popular so they kept updating it. A few years ago they decided to add an in-game store which allowed players to purchase items like weapons, hats, misc stuff and it brought them a new influx of money well after the 'expiration' of the game bought off store shelves.

They turned it into a free to play game and just made the money off the in-game store which should be pretty lucrative as some of the ' unusual hats ' that the characters can wear in game sell on forums for up to THOUSANDS in real money.

=X= · 08-04-2012, 06:49 PM

It's not that easy. The devs(Mindtrap) and game have a bit of background. This game was released as a paid app with In-App-Purchase (IAP). While most people don't have an issue with that they do when the company charges a fee for an IAP game. Granted $1 isn't much but it's still the principal and expectation. A similar experience happened with the Duke Nukem port where the devs charged a fee for the product then inserted ads in the paid version.

With both cases the users hammered the products in the review/rating and in both cases the devs responded. In my eyes both devs did the right thing. Duke Nukem ads where removed and Mind trap made the game free. The problem was the folks that paid $1 lost their shirts and home forking up that $1 for the game and they raised hell. My opinion is that Mindtrap tried to save face and explained their move. They possibly told a half truth in their PR and again suffered a backlash.

Maybe there is some truth to Mindtrap claim but I will say this, their two other aps in the market, that don't have IAP, are still for sale(not free) and are still top sellers.

Mindtrap apparently is doing the right thing and giving the early adopters an extra package.

Freeshadow · 08-06-2012, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

Some people don't like to pay for games, are they pirates or people who enjoy playing free games?? Who are we to deny them their entertainment??

If they are playing games relased for free, fine let them enjoy it. There's a plenty of games for free even some which were pay only some time ago. Good examples are the first Command & Conquer, OMF 2097, pre-Morrowind Elder Scrolls games, Flight of the Amazon Queen... hell there are lists out there of such games, STFW.
In other cases they are just a bunch of freeloaders just like you.
There's no granted right for free entertainment.

If you want fun for free go playing with your private parts.

If you have too much leisure time use it for working and spend the money gained on for paid entertainment.
Easy, eh?

Giggleton · 08-06-2012, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Freeshadow

There's no granted right for free entertainment.

Let us make one then,

We are all created equal and have equal rights to all of creation.

Now what?

HansTWN · 08-06-2012, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

Let us make one then,

We are all created equal and have equal rights to all of creation.

Now what?

Now it is time to sit down, take a deep breath, and take your meds.

BWinmill · 08-06-2012, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Giggleton

We are all created equal and have equal rights to all of creation.[/COLOR]

How about: we all have the right to be creators, and have others respect our wishes with regards to those creations.

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08-03-2012, 06:53 PM	#16
Hellmark Wizard Posts: 2,592 Karma: 4290425 Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Foristell, Missouri, USA Device: Nokia N800, PRS-505, Nook STR Glowlight, Kindle 3, Kobo Libra 2	You guys haven't put him in the ignore list yet?

08-04-2012, 06:23 AM	#21
WhichP Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 441390 Join Date: Aug 2012 Device: Kindle	I think play for free games are good in general but it really depends on how the publisher/developer ends up making money from it. If they make their cash from cosmetic items then it's fine, but as soon as you start having to purchase 'content' that is integral to the experience of the game then I would immediatley drop it.

08-04-2012, 06:49 PM	#26
=X= Wizard Posts: 3,671 Karma: 12205348 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Galaxy S, Nook w/CM7	It's not that easy. The devs(Mindtrap) and game have a bit of background. This game was released as a paid app with In-App-Purchase (IAP). While most people don't have an issue with that they do when the company charges a fee for an IAP game. Granted $1 isn't much but it's still the principal and expectation. A similar experience happened with the Duke Nukem port where the devs charged a fee for the product then inserted ads in the paid version. With both cases the users hammered the products in the review/rating and in both cases the devs responded. In my eyes both devs did the right thing. Duke Nukem ads where removed and Mind trap made the game free. The problem was the folks that paid $1 lost their shirts and home forking up that $1 for the game and they raised hell. My opinion is that Mindtrap tried to save face and explained their move. They possibly told a half truth in their PR and again suffered a backlash. Maybe there is some truth to Mindtrap claim but I will say this, their two other aps in the market, that don't have IAP, are still for sale(not free) and are still top sellers. Mindtrap apparently is doing the right thing and giving the early adopters an extra package.