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[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by Fbone

I have a 250GB monthly cap. The ISP says it's enough to stream one HD movie a day. The most I ever used was 14GB and I don't stream movies. A few songs only and a short (and usually cute) YouTube video on occasion. I imagine it would be hard to stay under 20GB for a moderately heavy internet user.

I've had months where I've exceeded 150GB.

[tompe]

Originally Posted by plib

First of all "download any file you want" depends on consistent, cheap and reasonably unlimited broadband to be of any use. Did you miss the post where someone is limited to 20GB pm or pay $10 per GB?

I of course meant download any file you have stored in another place for example on your NAS at home.

But even your example is kind of strange and does not feel relevant with how the net works nowadays. Caps for permanent connections to the internet are very strange and caps so low as 20G seems to me to be absurd.

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by Ankh

What? How? It turns out that major drain came from... Youtube. It was, and still is, used as a modern equivalent of jukebox. One picks up the tune and minimizes the browser once it starts to play. That's how you listen to music on Internet, dad. The digital generation and its birthrights.

Tunes on demand

Maybe Google should set up an audio only version to conserve bandwidth?

[tubemonkey]

Originally Posted by tompe

But even your example is kind of strange and does not feel relevant with how the net works nowadays. Caps for permanent connections to the internet are very strange and caps so low as 20G seems to me to be absurd.

Welcome to North America

[JD Gumby]

Originally Posted by tompe

I of course meant download any file you have stored in another place for example on your NAS at home.

But even your example is kind of strange and does not feel relevant with how the net works nowadays. Caps for permanent connections to the internet are very strange and caps so low as 20G seems to me to be absurd.

In North America, caps are VERY common. The fact that my ISP doesn't put data caps on its 5mbit (which I use) and 20mbit (which I can't afford ) services actually makes it fairly unusual on the continent.

[plib]

Originally Posted by Anabran

I agree
however My KF lack of an SD slot along with Amazon's perfectly legitimate business model of encouraging use of their ecosystem.
,has NOT resulted in me and those independent minded users like me, being saddled with a so called "Crippled Device".

That, of course, is merely your opinion.

[plib]

Originally Posted by tompe

I of course meant download any file you have stored in another place for example on your NAS at home.

But even your example is kind of strange and does not feel relevant with how the net works nowadays. Caps for permanent connections to the internet are very strange and caps so low as 20G seems to me to be absurd.

There is a whole continent in which caps for permanent internet connections are a fact of life, ironically enough the continent on which Google has its head office. Just because you think they're strange and absurd, with which I agree, doesn't mean they don't exist. Nor that it can't get very expensive, much more than the cost of an SD card, if you exceed them.

[The Terminator]

Originally Posted by Fbone

I have a 250GB monthly cap. The ISP says it's enough to stream one HD movie a day. The most I ever used was 14GB and I don't stream movies. A few songs only and a short (and usually cute) YouTube video on occasion. I imagine it would be hard to stay under 20GB for a moderately heavy internet user.

But that's the thing, you can't even be a Moderately heavy user. Moderate to light really, I hate when they tell you how many minutes of movie you can watch, they say that YouTube standard quality takes up 1MB a minute, which is incredibly false. Watching standard video quality on my phone takes up 50MB for 20 minutes, and the quality is terrible.

Streaming music is a huge one, you can't even listen to online radio with our internet, our neighbour was listening to a few hours a day and they got called by the ISP saying that they are the second most bandwidth user in the town.

[plib]

Originally Posted by The Terminator

But that's the thing, you can't even be a Moderately heavy user. Moderate to light really, I hate when they tell you how many minutes of movie you can watch, they say that YouTube standard quality takes up 1MB a minute, which is incredibly false. Watching standard video quality on my phone takes up 50MB for 20 minutes, and the quality is terrible.

Streaming music is a huge one, you can't even listen to online radio with our internet, our neighbour was listening to a few hours a day and they got called by the ISP saying that they are the second most bandwidth user in the town.

What Canada, in fact the whole of North America, needs to do is follow the European example. Open up the last mile to competition.

Third parties can buy access to the last mile to the subscribers home. The equipment provider gets a mandated rate from the third party which is guaranteed to give them an agreed rate of return on their investment. The amount and price of bandwidth offered to the subscriber is determined by the third party. If you compare internet access and charges in the UK or Europe to North American charges there are more choices, offering more service at lower prices than anyone could dream of in North America. And BT, Orange, France Telecom, Deutsche Telekom, etc. are doing very nicely despite all that.

All the "free marketeers" in North America, US and Canada, would run a mile from a real free market. What they have instead is a locked in monopoly, which suits them just fine. North American internet is pitiful.

[Ankh]

Originally Posted by plib

What Canada, in fact the whole of North America, needs to do is follow the European example. Open up the last mile to competition.

Third parties can buy access to the last mile to the subscribers home. The equipment provider gets a mandated rate from the third party which is guaranteed to give them an agreed rate of return on their investment. The amount and price of bandwidth offered to the subscriber is determined by the third party.

Don't we (Canada) have it already? My ISP (Teksavvy) offers both DSL (last mile: Bell) and cable (last mile:Rogers) internet. Unlimited for those who want to pay, 300 GB otherwise (two months running average).

[The Terminator]

It has a new screen unlock feature seen Here

It's face unlock using the webcam like ICS, but it has "Liveness Check" so you have to blink when it tells you too. Pretty awesome IMO, that's what I'm going to use.

[SeaKing]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Welcome to North America

Ah my friend, just because we are the Land of the Free doesn't mean that you don't have to pay for your lunch.

I can see it now.
"That will be $30 please."
That is strange. What for?
"For your bandwidth usage."
That is absurd!
"No, it is $30."
That is ridiculous.
"No it isn't. It is spelled out on the menu.
So much for lunch and so much for the bandwidth you use during lunch.
You only had water, but you did download several HD Blu-Ray movies
of questionable provenance and low morality I might add but that is none of my business.
However the bandwidth usage comes to $30.
Good news though. The water is free. Courtesy of the Land of the Free."

[plib]

Originally Posted by Ankh

Don't we (Canada) have it already? My ISP (Teksavvy) offers both DSL (last mile: Bell) and cable (last mile:Rogers) internet. Unlimited for those who want to pay, 300 GB otherwise (two months running average).

Teksavvy is a move in the right direction but it's fairly limited in coverage. It's not in some provinces at all, and afaik cable is only available in selected areas in BC, ON and PQ. It helps keep Bell, Rogers and Shaw somewhat honest but it's not the out and out competitive environment there is in Europe. And OFCOM may have its faults, but anything is better than the CRTC.

[Kumabjorn]

Originally Posted by tubemonkey

I've had months where I've exceeded 150GB.

150 Giga Bananas
That is one fat monkey, sure you're not a gorilla?
Yeah, me thinks you're the monkey behind Gorila Glas.

[HarryT]

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