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Old 12-10-2011, 07:14 PM   #136
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I've even seen the ebook version priced higher than the new hardback. It's not common, but it happens, and I'm not talking about the HC being steeply discounted either.
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Old 12-11-2011, 02:29 AM   #137
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I've even seen the ebook version priced higher than the new hardback. It's not common, but it happens, and I'm not talking about the HC being steeply discounted either.
Can you give an example? I've never seen this.
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Old 12-11-2011, 06:34 AM   #138
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Mass market seems to be going away. What is happening is that on new print runs, we are getting trade format so the publisher can charge more. Also, because it's now in trade and that's the cheapest current version, the eBook price goes up. So where we had the $7.99 MMPB, we now have the $9.99-$14.99 trade. Given agency pricing, the eBook price remains high due to the trick of swapping MMPB for trade. This is very sleazy and should not be allowed. But it is and they get away with it. Trade needs to go away except when warranted. In most cases, it's not warranted. It's just there so publishers can charge more for paperback books and eBooks.

When publishers started switching to trade, they said it's what the customer wanted. That's BS. The customer does not want to get ripped off.
amen. its especially glaring when books like Asimov's Foundation series sold just fine as lowly paperbacks for 60 years, now all of a sudden consumers want $15 trades of old books? the only current paperback printing of Dune is in one of those "tall" paperbacks for $10.

its a rip off and a cash grab, plain&simple.

as a reader i simply refuse to pay $15+, especially for new authors whose first release is in trade form. uh uh, not gonna happen *looks at Pyr* i remember when authors had to "earn" better formats.... and of course said books just sit there on bookstore shelves (unread by me) in trade form, no mmpb release in sight

plus i simply find trades to be a chore to read. i have yet to find a comfortable way to hold one especially when theyre tightly bound.
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Old 12-12-2011, 11:38 AM   #139
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Yes, that's true. The remainders still have to be paid for, but publisher does save at least some money. Even so, that only underscores the point, paper is a lot more expensive than electrons.
No it doesn't.

If the paper books were that expensive, the publisher would want them back. They don't. It is not worth them getting them back.

There is chart in a thread here that shows the cost of actually printing, storing, and shipping pbooks is a VERY small amount of the cost of the book.
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Old 12-12-2011, 01:28 PM   #140
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If the paper books were that expensive, the publisher would want them back. They don't. It is not worth them getting them back.
The books are being returned because they didn't sell.
What would the publisher do with them, pile them up in stacks?
The cost to produce something is not the same as the value it ends up having in the marketplace. (See HP TouchPad for an electronics example)

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There is chart in a thread here that shows the cost of actually printing, storing, and shipping pbooks is a VERY small amount of the cost of the book.
I think the word you are looking for is 'claims', not 'shows'.
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Old 12-12-2011, 02:20 PM   #141
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If the paper books were that expensive, the publisher would want them back. They don't. It is not worth them getting them back.
Not all paperback books are strippable. No hardcovers are. Trade paperbacks are called that because they aren't strippable. The publisher expects the complete book to be returned in sellable condition to give a return credit. Now, small publishers often can't enforce that sellable condition clause. Mass market paperbacks are called mass market because of the distribution mechanism. The distributers are the ones that insist the books be strippable. It's not the publisher that wants it that way.

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Can you give an example? I've never seen this.
Not off the top of my head, but I have seen it. I was utterly flabbergasted, but it was for real. If I run across it again I'll post a link.
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