So how does everyone feel about SONY now? - Page 8

Shopaholic · 10-31-2011, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ring0_event

Shopaholic, the T1 is already bit shoddy for me, as reflowed PDFs don't work well (page turns are crazy slow, unusably so). What are the odds Sony will fix this in a firmware update? The x50 series handled reflowed PDFs very well...

It's a new OS. Maybe you should have waited to see if it would do what you needed it to do before buying. Assuming that because the previous model did it means the next one will too, even when it's an entirely new OS, is a mistake on your part. Why blame Sony for your assumptions?

Stuff changes and not always for the better for everyone's needs. It's better for most but not for all. In your case it wasn't a better change. You have to work within the parameters of the device. Not the other way around.

If the PDF format is so important to you then the wise thing would have been for you to wait to see how the device handled PDFs before buying. But you didn't. The previous Readers were able to handle several more formats than this one. They changed it. It's their device. They're allowed to. Whether it works for your needs is another story entirely. I'm bummed that they don't read Word Documents anymore but I have to deal with it.

And life goes on.....

MattW · 10-31-2011, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Shopaholic

Stuff changes and not always for the better for everyone's needs. It's better for most but not for all. In your case it wasn't a better change. You have to work within the parameters of the device. Not the other way around.

I strongly disagree. This "the user has to work with what the device has to offer" mentality may be good enough for geeks & early adopters, but I would say that it is perfectly reasonable to assume that a new device that has PDF advertised as a capability does at least do as well with it as the previous generation.

That may not be the case, but it's perfectly understandable to think so -- Sony did not exactly advertise the new OS. For your average consumer electronics buyer there is no way to know that the old PRS-x50's ran a custom UI on Linux and the new one runs Android. Nor should it be.

And while I agree that one cannot expect miracles from such a cheap device, I wouldn't blame the OP for his bad experience. He will likely choose a different company next time and the loss is Sony's, not his.

Just my .02,
Matthias, who likes his T1 just fine.

Ripplinger · 10-31-2011, 11:24 AM

I have to agree with MattW. For quite awhile there was even a question as to what OS the new T1 had, it wasn't easy to figure out at the time, so most buyers wouldn't have a clue was OS is on a reader since Sony didn't advertise it. And having an older generation reader from a company, I would expect at least the same level of capabilities for reading PDFs or any supported format in a new reader from the same company. If it's somehow a lesser quality, that's the company's fault, not the buyer's.

sabredog · 10-31-2011, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ring0_event

PDF functionality for articles and essays (which have no graphics) is very important to me. Since the x50 handled PDFs so well, I think the right question is, why Sony didn't do so good a job with the T1?

The ereader market is in the main geared for ebooks not for a document format like PDF. A PDF is not an ebook.

Your 950 works, so too does a good tablet.

You can always take it back and ask for a refund if you dislike your T1 so much.

ring0_event · 10-31-2011, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by sabredog

The ereader market is in the main geared for ebooks not for a document format like PDF. A PDF is not an ebook.

Your 950 works, so too does a good tablet.

You can always take it back and ask for a refund if you dislike your T1 so much.

I still have time to take it back, and I may do that, but I haven't yet decided. Maybe rooting it will help, but I need the time to try this out...

ring0_event · 10-31-2011, 11:36 AM

Well, Shopaholic, you do have a point that I could have waited more before buying, I do agree with you there. But I also have to agree with both Ripplinger and MattW, because I cannot compare the dropping of formats with improper support of another format. Kindle3 has poor support for PDF, which is why I won't buy any more such devices from Amazon. And I more wary with Sony due to this bad implementation, because I expected their previous level of excellence.
Question: Is Android known for bad PDF support?
Sorry all if I appear miffed but it really, really is hard to find an all-around excellent device, though perhaps I should have investigated PB (though their screens are not Pearl, IIRC).

jersysman · 10-31-2011, 11:57 AM

I have yet to have come across an ereader that handles PDF in the manner that those who have PDF would like. It seems to be that there might be higher expectations than what these ereaders can produce. As stated earlier, these ereaders were not designed for PDF functionality as PDF, as stated, is not an ebook format. I see you have a 950 that you said you were happy with. If the T1 doesn't give you what you want, you could go back to using the 950.

As you have said, the kindle did not provide what you needed. I doubt if the nook or kobo would either. You indeed might have to look to larger tablets to do what you need.

jackie_w · 10-31-2011, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ring0_event

... perhaps I should have investigated PB (though their screens are not Pearl, IIRC).

Just in case it makes you feel better, I don't think the PocketBook range would necessarily have made you happier. Whilst PocketBook had some very good ideas about how to make an ereader which was great for user-customisation my own experience was that every firmware update they released seemed to break as many things as it fixed. The latest one for my PB model is still labelled 'beta' over a year later and is unusable for the things I find important. In short, it was very frustrating.

As far as PDF reflow mode was concerned I gave up on it when I found I could only page forward not backward. It's possible they fixed it in later models but I won't be spending any more money with them to find out.

ring0_event · 10-31-2011, 01:17 PM

Thanks to all for your replies, and for bearing with my grouchiness on this topic. I guess my best hope for keeping the T1 is to try and root my device and see if ezPDF works any better. Though if anyone here knows, please post the results!

Rick1971 · 10-31-2011, 03:18 PM

have had my PRS-350 for over a year and love..still works great

ring0_event · 10-31-2011, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jackie_w

Just in case it makes you feel better, I don't think the PocketBook range would necessarily have made you happier. Whilst PocketBook had some very good ideas about how to make an ereader which was great for user-customisation my own experience was that every firmware update they released seemed to break as many things as it fixed. The latest one for my PB model is still labelled 'beta' over a year later and is unusable for the things I find important. In short, it was very frustrating.

As far as PDF reflow mode was concerned I gave up on it when I found I could only page forward not backward. It's possible they fixed it in later models but I won't be spending any more money with them to find out.

Actually I missed your post before, thanks for that information. I'm not sure it makes me feel better, but I am sorry about your experience with PB!

CedroRosso · 11-01-2011, 03:07 AM

Ummm. I can page both forward and backwards on T1 pdfs. Haven't really figured out what slows down the reflow yet, as some pdfs seem to work just about instantly whereas others lag badly. And it doesn't seem to correlate with tagging or images as much as one might think.

Bookworm_Girl · 11-01-2011, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by CedroRosso

Ummm. I can page both forward and backwards on T1 pdfs. Haven't really figured out what slows down the reflow yet, as some pdfs seem to work just about instantly whereas others lag badly. And it doesn't seem to correlate with tagging or images as much as one might think.

No, I can't find a correlation either. Some of my PDF's that lag with reflow have no images and are just text.

Lxuke · 11-01-2011, 06:51 AM

the T1 is the best e-reader I've ever had the chance to operate

ring0_event · 11-01-2011, 08:56 AM

Thank you CedroRosso and Bookworm_Girl for your comments on this mysterious affair.

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10-31-2011, 11:24 AM	#108
Ripplinger 350 Hoarder Posts: 3,574 Karma: 8281267 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Midwest USA Device: Sony PRS-350, Kobo Glo & Glo HD, PW2	I have to agree with MattW. For quite awhile there was even a question as to what OS the new T1 had, it wasn't easy to figure out at the time, so most buyers wouldn't have a clue was OS is on a reader since Sony didn't advertise it. And having an older generation reader from a company, I would expect at least the same level of capabilities for reading PDFs or any supported format in a new reader from the same company. If it's somehow a lesser quality, that's the company's fault, not the buyer's.

10-31-2011, 11:36 AM	#111
ring0_event Zealot Posts: 142 Karma: 39918 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kindle3 (3G), PRS-950 (x2), PRS-T1	Well, Shopaholic, you do have a point that I could have waited more before buying, I do agree with you there. But I also have to agree with both Ripplinger and MattW, because I cannot compare the dropping of formats with improper support of another format. Kindle3 has poor support for PDF, which is why I won't buy any more such devices from Amazon. And I more wary with Sony due to this bad implementation, because I expected their previous level of excellence. Question: Is Android known for bad PDF support? Sorry all if I appear miffed but it really, really is hard to find an all-around excellent device, though perhaps I should have investigated PB (though their screens are not Pearl, IIRC).

10-31-2011, 11:57 AM	#112
jersysman Wizard Posts: 1,747 Karma: 3761220 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Pennsylvania Device: T1 Red, Kindle Fire, Kindle PW, PW2, Nook HD+, Kobo Mini, Aura HD	I have yet to have come across an ereader that handles PDF in the manner that those who have PDF would like. It seems to be that there might be higher expectations than what these ereaders can produce. As stated earlier, these ereaders were not designed for PDF functionality as PDF, as stated, is not an ebook format. I see you have a 950 that you said you were happy with. If the T1 doesn't give you what you want, you could go back to using the 950. As you have said, the kindle did not provide what you needed. I doubt if the nook or kobo would either. You indeed might have to look to larger tablets to do what you need.

10-31-2011, 01:17 PM	#114
ring0_event Zealot Posts: 142 Karma: 39918 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kindle3 (3G), PRS-950 (x2), PRS-T1	Thanks to all for your replies, and for bearing with my grouchiness on this topic. I guess my best hope for keeping the T1 is to try and root my device and see if ezPDF works any better. Though if anyone here knows, please post the results!

10-31-2011, 03:18 PM	#115
Rick1971 cool a zombie! Posts: 75 Karma: 1016994 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: San Antonio, Tx, USA Device: Sony PRS-350, Lenovo a2107a-f, Le PanII, Motorola Xoom FE	have had my PRS-350 for over a year and love..still works great

11-01-2011, 03:07 AM	#117
CedroRosso Enthusiast Posts: 38 Karma: 22 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Seattle Device: Sony PRS-T1	Ummm. I can page both forward and backwards on T1 pdfs. Haven't really figured out what slows down the reflow yet, as some pdfs seem to work just about instantly whereas others lag badly. And it doesn't seem to correlate with tagging or images as much as one might think.

11-01-2011, 06:51 AM	#119
Lxuke Junior Member Posts: 4 Karma: 6730 Join Date: Oct 2011 Device: Sony PRS-T1	the T1 is the best e-reader I've ever had the chance to operate

11-01-2011, 08:56 AM	#120
ring0_event Zealot Posts: 142 Karma: 39918 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kindle3 (3G), PRS-950 (x2), PRS-T1	Thank you CedroRosso and Bookworm_Girl for your comments on this mysterious affair.