Apple:180 million books downloaded from iBookStore

kjk · 10-18-2011, 07:03 PM

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ence_call.html

Quote:

Oppenheimer said they are "very pleased" with the growth of the iBookstore, with more than 180 million books downloaded to date.

Note of course, that is downloaded, not sold.
Not sure if they are counting the free Winnie-the-Pooh book they used to include with every iBooks app download

By trend:
March 2011: 100 million books downloaded
June 2011: 130 million books downloaded
October 2011: 180 million books downloaded

JSWolf · 10-18-2011, 07:31 PM

I hope these are not bought books. It's not good if the iBookstore succeeds.

kjk · 10-18-2011, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I hope these are not bought books. It's not good if the iBookstore succeeds.

Do you think 180 million downloads (since April 2010) is a success?

Andrew H. · 10-18-2011, 08:51 PM

If they meant books sold, I think they would have said so. So an awful lot of this will be Winnie-the-Pooh or other free books.

kjk · 10-18-2011, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew H.

If they meant books sold, I think they would have said so. So an awful lot of this will be Winnie-the-Pooh or other free books.

Yeah. It's interesting how cagey everyone is about actual eBook sales numbers.

I just have no context to put 180 million books in-even free downloads.

tubemonkey · 10-18-2011, 10:12 PM

Just imagine how much less that number would be if they didn't instigate the Agency Model.

stonetools · 10-19-2011, 07:08 PM

If we go by this forum, almost no one is buying iBooks (and indeed, no one SHOULD, since Apple helped to implement the dastardly agency model).
The stats I have seen indicate that Amazon has a 55% share of the ebook market, with BN getting a 25% share. All the rest share 20%. Those stats predate the infamous subscription change policy, which surely increased Apple's share at the expense of everyone else.
My SWAG is that iBooks has between 5-10% of the total ebook market, with a considerably higher percentage on Ios devices, but that's based on pretty much nothing. Even a dedicated iPhone reader like Mike Shatzkin confesses that he buys mostly from Amazon, hardly from iBooks.

frozennorth · 10-19-2011, 11:43 PM

Hey I downloaded 4 books from them. All freebies.

Wonder if those are included.

leebase · 10-20-2011, 11:50 AM

Amazon is responsible for Agency pricing. Apple merely gave publishers some leverage to fight the defector monopoly of Amazon.

Lee

tubemonkey · 10-20-2011, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by leebase

Amazon is responsible for Agency pricing. Apple merely gave publishers some leverage to fight the defector monopoly of Amazon.

Lee

Quite frankly, I resent manufacturers telling retailers how much they should sell products for. Retailers give fair value to the manufacturer. From that point on, it should be up to the retailer to price. If they wish to take a loss, that's their business.

I, for one, refuse to pay Agency pricing for a book. Those greedy SOB's can choke on them for all I care!

leebase · 10-20-2011, 04:41 PM

No manufacturer is going to allow one of its customers to run all of its OTHER customers out of business....or to harm the value proposition of its products.

Lee

tubemonkey · 10-20-2011, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by leebase

No manufacturer is going to allow one of its customers to run all of its OTHER customers out of business....or to harm the value proposition of its products.

Lee

Agency pricing is harming the value proposition of ebooks.

Todd Young · 10-20-2011, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stonetools

If we go by this forum, almost no one is buying iBooks (and indeed, no one SHOULD, since Apple helped to implement the dastardly agency model).
The stats I have seen indicate that Amazon has a 55% share of the ebook market, with BN getting a 25% share. All the rest share 20%. Those stats predate the infamous subscription change policy, which surely increased Apple's share at the expense of everyone else.
My SWAG is that iBooks has between 5-10% of the total ebook market, with a considerably higher percentage on Ios devices, but that's based on pretty much nothing. Even a dedicated iPhone reader like Mike Shatzkin confesses that he buys mostly from Amazon, hardly from iBooks.

Going solely by my sales, I'd say Amazon has something more like a 90% share of the ebook market.

leebase · 10-20-2011, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Agency pricing is harming the value proposition of ebooks.

Not in the slightest. There are lots of authors and publishers willing to sell their ebooks for low low prices.

If you want to buy an ebook when the hardback is going for $18, from the most popular publishers, you pay $13-$15. Or you wait and buy the paper back a year later.

Like always

Lee

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10-18-2011, 07:31 PM	#2
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 80,782 Karma: 150249619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	I hope these are not bought books. It's not good if the iBookstore succeeds.

10-18-2011, 08:51 PM	#4
Andrew H. Grand Master of Flowers Posts: 2,201 Karma: 8389072 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Naptown Device: Kindle PW, Kindle 3 (aka Keyboard), iPhone, iPad 3 (not for reading)	If they meant books sold, I think they would have said so. So an awful lot of this will be Winnie-the-Pooh or other free books.

10-18-2011, 10:12 PM	#6
tubemonkey monkey on the fringe Posts: 45,858 Karma: 158733736 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Seattle Metro Device: Moto E6, Echo Show	Just imagine how much less that number would be if they didn't instigate the Agency Model.

10-19-2011, 07:08 PM	#7
stonetools Wizard Posts: 2,016 Karma: 2838487 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Washington, DC Device: Ipad, IPhone	If we go by this forum, almost no one is buying iBooks (and indeed, no one SHOULD, since Apple helped to implement the dastardly agency model). The stats I have seen indicate that Amazon has a 55% share of the ebook market, with BN getting a 25% share. All the rest share 20%. Those stats predate the infamous subscription change policy, which surely increased Apple's share at the expense of everyone else. My SWAG is that iBooks has between 5-10% of the total ebook market, with a considerably higher percentage on Ios devices, but that's based on pretty much nothing. Even a dedicated iPhone reader like Mike Shatzkin confesses that he buys mostly from Amazon, hardly from iBooks.

10-19-2011, 11:43 PM	#8
frozennorth Evangelist Posts: 407 Karma: 18772 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Device: Onyx Boox RIP, Sony PRS-T1, Kobo Libra	Hey I downloaded 4 books from them. All freebies. Wonder if those are included.

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leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,976 Karma: 26738313 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	Amazon is responsible for Agency pricing. Apple merely gave publishers some leverage to fight the defector monopoly of Amazon. Lee

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leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,976 Karma: 26738313 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	No manufacturer is going to allow one of its customers to run all of its OTHER customers out of business....or to harm the value proposition of its products. Lee