E-ink or LED displays for ebook reading

[lindsayw]

Originally Posted by Sabredog

A dedicated ereader will still be the best choice for those people who just want to read, not be constantly distracted by catapulting birds, SMS, email and facebook.

I have yet to see a commuter on a train hold an iPad to their ear either.

Yes, dedicated eReaders are still better, but that's not the point. For 99% of Joe Average users, they will have a Tablet and see that as quite adequate, since it also serves other purposes.
...and I've never seen a commuter holding a pBook to their ear, either.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Nyssa

Oh yes, I definitely said that no one should ever read from an LCD screen as I sit here on my iPhone that also happens to have multiple e-reading apps.

Nooo actually what I said was that e-ink is better for LONG reading sessions. You even quoted me!!!

And I completely disagree with that. So, your statement simply isn't true.

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by lindsayw

Yes, dedicated eReaders are still better, but that's not the point. For 99% of Joe Average users, they will have a Tablet and see that as quite adequate, since it also serves other purposes.
...and I've never seen a commuter holding a pBook to their ear, either.

That is not quite true really. I was speaking to a sales rep at Dick Smith Electronics whilst ordering a Kindle 3 for my wife. He told me that they cannot keep enough stock of the Kindles in store. DSE are owned here by Woolworths who also sell the Kindle 3. My wife actually has sold Kindles as part of her cashier job there. Both stores run out of stock on a daily basis.

I noticed in my travels far more people are now using Kindles than iPads to read on, at least on train journeys into the CBD. Purely my observation of course.

Could it be that an iPad costs $600, whilst a Kindle 3 only costs $160? I would have to say that does play a big part in why dedicated devices are going to be a far more economical option for many readers than an expensive bells and whistles touch screen tablet.

Regardless, I see the advantage of a tablet device in my hobby. Keeping reference PDF's close at hand near my hobby desk is easier than running to my notebook or PC to check a colour PDF. That is not a prolonged reading session, merely casual use.

Such a device for me, would never replace my ereader for reading a fiction book period.

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

And I completely disagree with that. So, your statement simply isn't true.

There is a difference between fact (truth) and opinion.

We have shared opinions which does not = "true" or "false".

Popular opinion, (non-scientific proof) leans more towards e-ink than LCD when it comes to preventing eye-strain.

Edited to Ask: Have you ever read on an e-ink device? If so, how long did you use it? Have you ever read for an hour or more using e-ink vs LCD? I'm very curious.

As I mentioned earlier, I used to read on my iPhone, and I've read on my PC. I have also borrowed my S-I-L's Nook for about 45 mins give or take, and the difference between it and my Kindle were quite noticeable. I asked her why she chose the Nook, and she said it was the buttons (or lack there of). The Kindle had too many buttons, to the Nooks few; she likes the Nooks navigation better as its easier on her hands/fingers.

[lindsayw]

Originally Posted by Sabredog

Could it be that an iPad costs $600, whilst a Kindle 3 only costs $160? I would have to say that does play a big part in why dedicated devices are going to be a far more economical option for many readers than an expensive bells and whistles touch screen tablet.

Yes, of course that's the reason! But Tablets are steadily eating into the eReader market and a Tablet owner will not bother to ALSO buy an eReader, and we will ALL be Tablet owners, by and by.
Must be different from WA, but here in Queensland you can't buy an eReader at retail very easily anywhere... only Tablets. Talk to sales staff here and they dismiss eReaders as "old stuff – Tablets killed them" (past tense!).
But, getting back to the Poll subject, e-Ink is better (eReaders) but what we like best won't matter much. It's what sells best that will determine what we end up using.

[DiapDealer]

and we will ALL be Tablet owners, by and by.

I will be the very last holdout. THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE!!

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by lindsayw

Yes, of course that's the reason! But Tablets are steadily eating into the eReader market and a Tablet owner will not bother to ALSO buy an eReader, and we will ALL be Tablet owners, by and by.
Must be different from WA, but here in Queensland you can't buy an eReader at retail very easily anywhere... only Tablets. Talk to sales staff here and they dismiss eReaders as "old stuff – Tablets killed them" (past tense!).
But, getting back to the Poll subject, e-Ink is better (eReaders) but what we like best won't matter much. It's what sells best that will determine what we end up using.

I, personally have no intrest in owning a tablet of any kind. Between my phone and my Kindle, anything I need to do away from my desk is covered. There would have to be a real "need" before I would consider buying one.
My hubby, on the other hand, wants a tablet just for the fun of it; an iPad specifically, I believe, but not at the current prices.

[sabredog]

Originally Posted by lindsayw

Yes, of course that's the reason! But Tablets are steadily eating into the eReader market and a Tablet owner will not bother to ALSO buy an eReader, and we will ALL be Tablet owners, by and by.
Must be different from WA, but here in Queensland you can't buy an eReader at retail very easily anywhere... only Tablets. Talk to sales staff here and they dismiss eReaders as "old stuff – Tablets killed them" (past tense!).

I intend to own a tablet, but to replace my netbook, not to replace my ereader.

Different reason and different purpose.

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by lindsayw

Yes, of course that's the reason! But Tablets are steadily eating into the eReader market and a Tablet owner will not bother to ALSO buy an eReader, and we will ALL be Tablet owners, by and by.
Must be different from WA, but here in Queensland you can't buy an eReader at retail very easily anywhere... only Tablets. Talk to sales staff here and they dismiss eReaders as "old stuff – Tablets killed them" (past tense!).
But, getting back to the Poll subject, e-Ink is better (eReaders) but what we like best won't matter much. It's what sells best that will determine what we end up using.

Speak for yourself. I have tablets, and ereaders both.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Nyssa

There is a difference between fact (truth) and opinion.

We have shared opinions which does not = "true" or "false".

Then write it down as opinion (I find, I think, etc) and not fact (it is).

Originally Posted by Nyssa

Edited to Ask: Have you ever read on an e-ink device? If so, how long did you use it? Have you ever read for an hour or more using e-ink vs LCD? I'm very curious.

Yes. I have three (main) devices. One LCD (low resolution, 7", 16:9, 800x480), and 2 e-inks (5" and 6" Pearl). I read the LCD whenever I'm in a darker environment, and the e-inks in a well-lit environment (this can be outside, but also, for example, on the kitchen table with the light turned on or during the day).

I usually only read about 30 minutes each day (not counting the few minutes I manage to catch while waiting for my ride home). Those 30 minutes are all on my LCD. But, during weekends and holidays, I spend more time reading. If I read outside, it'll be on one of my e-inks. For two reasons: I have my JE100 tuned for night time reading, which means a dark background, gray lettering and the backlight turned all the way down. In a well-lit environment you can't even see the screen is on... The other reason is because the battery of my JE100 is aging, and I can't get more than 1 1/2 hours out of it anymore.
However, when I'm reading in bed (which I most often am, considering the average summer we have here...), I'll use my JE100 (plugged in...). For hours on end, if I get the chance...

I never noticed any difference in "eye fatigue" between the two. I do notice it, however, when I'm sitting behind my monitor, when it's dark outside. Especially when I'm posting (like this). The screen is too bright, compared to the surrounding light. (Usually, when I'm sitting behind the monitor, I'll be playing a game...). So, I think those people that complain about eye fatigue are simply reading from a screen that is too bright compared to the surrounding light. As I mentioned here (or somewhere else), my JE100 shines less bright than a candle... (you know, those that you put underneath a pot of tea to keep it warm...)

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by Sweetpea

Then write it down as opinion (I find, I think, etc) and not fact (it is).


Yes. I have three (main) devices. One LCD (low resolution, 7", 16:9, 800x480), and 2 e-inks (5" and 6" Pearl). I read the LCD whenever I'm in a darker environment, and the e-inks in a well-lit environment (this can be outside, but also, for example, on the kitchen table with the light turned on or during the day).

I usually only read about 30 minutes each day (not counting the few minutes I manage to catch while waiting for my ride home). Those 30 minutes are all on my LCD. But, during weekends and holidays, I spend more time reading. If I read outside, it'll be on one of my e-inks. For two reasons: I have my JE100 tuned for night time reading, which means a dark background, gray lettering and the backlight turned all the way down. In a well-lit environment you can't even see the screen is on... The other reason is because the battery of my JE100 is aging, and I can't get more than 1 1/2 hours out of it anymore.
However, when I'm reading in bed (which I most often am, considering the average summer we have here...), I'll use my JE100 (plugged in...). For hours on end, if I get the chance...

I never noticed any difference in "eye fatigue" between the two. I do notice it, however, when I'm sitting behind my monitor, when it's dark outside. Especially when I'm posting (like this). The screen is too bright, compared to the surrounding light. (Usually, when I'm sitting behind the monitor, I'll be playing a game...). So, I think those people that complain about eye fatigue are simply reading from a screen that is too bright compared to the surrounding light. As I mentioned here (or somewhere else), my JE100 shines less bright than a candle... (you know, those that you put underneath a pot of tea to keep it warm...)

I expressed myself correctly. I stand by what I said.

Seeing how you have certain light requirements for certain readers, I'm surprised that you say that you're not feeling a difference in the two. There is obviously a reason why you felt the need to change your settings, and to switch readers depending based on where you're reading, besides the battery life, of course. Would you have the same set up with a brand new battery?

I know for me, the only thing I have to do to read my Kindle at night is turn on a light. With my phone and computer, even with turning on the light, I still have to take a break every once in while, as my eyes get tired.

[lindsayw]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

Speak for yourself. I have tablets, and ereaders both.

I have no argument with this. But I bet that you bought the eReader FIRST. My argument is simply that Tablets are eating into the eReader market, Tablets are being made available to students (get 'em while they're young), Tablets will eventually be a must-have for just about anyone. And the marketeers have little interest in whether fanatical readers prefer e-Ink eReaders or not... they just look at sales growth potential. So whatever type of screen that Tablets have this time next year (...next week?) will be what we all eventually end up using. I don't actually own a Tablet, by the way, but I'm kicking, I'm screaming...

[kjk]

I started reading ebooks on an LCD ( Rocketbook ), moved to an eInk reader (Sony 505), added another LCD (iPhone), added another eInk reader (K2), but now mostly read on my iPad 2. No problems with any of them (except the flashing on the Sony, which bothered me more than on the K2 for some reason)

[OtterBooks]

Originally Posted by lindsayw

And the marketeers have little interest in whether fanatical readers prefer e-Ink eReaders or not.

I don't really consider reading fanatical. I suppose one day it may be.

Yes, dedicated eReaders are still better, but that's not the point. For 99% of Joe Average users, they will have a Tablet and see that as quite adequate, since it also serves other purposes.

Well, 93% of the 161 people who expressed their opinion on the matter here feel otherwise. I guess this is a website of deviants.

[Sweetpea]

Originally Posted by Nyssa

Would you have the same set up with a brand new battery?

Yes. As I don't want to change the screen settings every time (it's not the fastest tablet on the earth...). If I had a different tablet, one that is faster, I'll probably use the 7" more often.

Originally Posted by lindsayw

I have no argument with this. But I bet that you bought the eReader FIRST.

I've been reading from LCD's even before the first e-ink arrived on the screen (that Sony device that was only sold in Japan, and don't even think about the price of that thing! ) And my first device wasn't an ereader either.

Originally Posted by OtterBooks

Well, 93% of the 161 people who expressed their opinion on the matter here feel otherwise. I guess this is a website of deviants.

Which isn't weird on this forum as most people here are outraged when you claim that you can read for hours on end on a backlit LCD screen.


Edit:

Oh, and if I could have gotten a 5" or 6" screen, with the same properties as my PDA screen, I would never have bought an e-ink device except for those holidays where I won't have access to a powerplug for a few days.