Why did I do that?... - Page 2

tompe · 02-21-2008, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by tribble

@tompe: Bookeen doesn't want everyone to have access to those files. It would be no problem, if their support were better. But i hope that will change soon. And until then i try my best to help out

I did not read anything when I bought the Cybook that prevent me from putting the files on a web site. I meant the files that are in the system directory. If I have missed something please point that out.

Chrismac · 02-21-2008, 01:03 PM

Back home I've tried flashing again with the Kernel thing but impossible... Perhaps some systme files are needed for flashing??
I'm now looking for the files themselves to manually drag them in the now empty

system folder....

diabloNL · 02-21-2008, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chrismac

Back home I've tried flashing again with the Kernel thing but impossible... Perhaps some systme files are needed for flashing??
I'm now looking for the files themselves to manually drag them in the now empty

system folder....

Do you still need the system files Chrismac?

tribble · 02-21-2008, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by delphidb96

tribble,

Would you mind it if we put this flash video up at NAEB? Enough people have this problem that this would make a great resource.

Derek

Feel free to do so. Would you like to have the flv file? Or you can just link to my page.

I asked permission of bookeen to help people out with reflashing. They said i could help as long as the information exchanged stays confidential. So i assume they will allow you to do that aswell.

NatCh · 02-21-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

I did not read anything when I bought the Cybook that prevent me from putting the files on a web site. I meant the files that are in the system directory. If I have missed something please point that out.

The first thing that comes to mind as a possible bar is that the code will be copyrighted, and they may have (probably have) reserved rights to distribute it.

tompe · 02-21-2008, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

The first thing that comes to mind as a possible bar is that the code will be copyrighted, and they may have (probably have) reserved rights to distribute it.

I am really curious if you can copyright binary code. But even iif it is copyrighted it can only be used by people having a Cybook so I do not really see how it could be a problem. People are sending the files wo whoever asks withou checking that they own a Cybook.

But I think it is a problem with all messages here about needing system files and the replies and the replies to the replies. And every such message is bad publicity for Bookeen because they are here because they do not answer their email in a timely manner.

NatCh · 02-21-2008, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

I am really curious if you can copyright binary code.

Sure you can! It's still just characters, even if they're all 1 and 0.

Copyrighting software is an extremely common practice, especially for commercial enterprises.

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Originally Posted by tompe

But even iif it is copyrighted it can inly be uses by people having a Cybook so I do nor really see how it could be a problem. People are sending the files wo whoever asks withou checking that they own a Cybook.

Conceptually, I'd agree with you, but the operative bit (you should pardon the pun) here is whether or not any lawyer types would take exception to it. You or I or any other individual passing the code along is unlikely to draw their ire, or even their notice, but the forum may be a different matter. They do read us, and have even posted here occasionally.

tompe · 02-21-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

Sure you can! It's still just characters, even if they're all 1 and 0.

Well, you cannot copyright a random sequence of numbers. There must be some creativity and originality involved. And a program you cannot use or read or an encrypted file cannot be copyrighted. The decrypted file can be copyrighted.

tribble · 02-21-2008, 05:38 PM

There are just 10 kind of people. Those who understand binary and those who dont.

delphidb96 · 02-21-2008, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by tribble

Feel free to do so. Would you like to have the flv file? Or you can just link to my page.

I asked permission of bookeen to help people out with reflashing. They said i could help as long as the information exchanged stays confidential. So i assume they will allow you to do that aswell.

Yes, just send me the flv through my personal email address, dabenner - ATiver - comcast - DOTiver - net. Yep, I munged it a bit to throw off the email miners.

Thanx. I figure Bookeen will allow us the same privilege.

Derek

delphidb96 · 02-21-2008, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

I am really curious if you can copyright binary code. But even iif it is copyrighted it can only be used by people having a Cybook so I do not really see how it could be a problem. People are sending the files wo whoever asks withou checking that they own a Cybook.

But I think it is a problem with all messages here about needing system files and the replies and the replies to the replies. And every such message is bad publicity for Bookeen because they are here because they do not answer their email in a timely manner.

The big issue, I believe, is the custom mods done to the OS by Bookeen - as well as the fact that the ebook reader app (Boo Reader) is all proprietary. I don't mind Bookeen keeping the apps proprietary, but I'd really like to see the source for the underlying OS.

Derek

tompe · 02-21-2008, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by delphidb96

The big issue, I believe, is the custom mods done to the OS by Bookeen - as well as the fact that the ebook reader app (Boo Reader) is all proprietary. I don't mind Bookeen keeping the apps proprietary, but I'd really like to see the source for the underlying OS.

We are talking about the sytem files. I though the OS and programs was in the firmware. On the other hand icudt36l.dat is rather large so it can contain things. As had been pointed out before they are probably required to distribute the sorce for the GPL part of the OS and for the modification they have done that became GPL:ed.

NatCh · 02-21-2008, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Well, you cannot copyright a random sequence of numbers. There must be some creativity and originality involved. And a program you cannot use or read or an encrypted file cannot be copyrighted. The decrypted file can be copyrighted.

If it were random then it wouldn't be code.

tompe · 02-21-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by NatCh

If it were random then it wouldn't be code.

If you cannot decode them they do not satisfy the creativity or originality requirement. Even if you can decode them it is the decoded form that is problematic and not the meaningless sequence of characters.

NatCh · 02-21-2008, 06:07 PM

Convince the lawyers of that, and I'll have no more concerns on the matter.

02-21-2008, 01:03 PM	#17
Chrismac Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 60 Join Date: Feb 2008 Device: Cybook Gen3	Back home I've tried flashing again with the Kernel thing but impossible... Perhaps some systme files are needed for flashing?? I'm now looking for the files themselves to manually drag them in the now emptysystem folder....

02-21-2008, 05:38 PM	#24
tribble iLiad Maniac Posts: 1,382 Karma: 2369 Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Device: Bookeen Opus (i love that thing) and iPad (what an irony)	There are just 10 kind of people. Those who understand binary and those who dont.

02-21-2008, 06:07 PM	#30
NatCh Gizmologist Posts: 11,615 Karma: 929550 Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Republic of Texas Embassy at Jackson, TN Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3	Convince the lawyers of that, and I'll have no more concerns on the matter.