Irate kindlers 1star carpet bomb Michael Connelly's new book

[tompe]

Originally Posted by Catlady

Please don't throw around words like dishonest and intentionally corrupting.

What would be dishonest is giving a one-star rating and saying a book is horribly written when the reviewer's real problem is price. When the reviewer clearly states that his or her rating is based on price, that is completely honest.

You don't think price is a valid standard to consider; others do. That doesn't make them dishonest or corrupt.

Assuming that people read all reviews and just not look at the average is kind of stupid or dishonest.

[OtterBooks]

Many of the one-star reviews complaining about the Kindle price were technically reviews of the hardcover: "This review is from The Fifth Witness (Hardcover)" A mistake? Maybe. But there are a lot of them.

[Catlady]

Originally Posted by tompe

And the point you seem to be missing is that here is nothing obvious with that the e-book price should have a specific relation to the paper book price. An e-book is more useful since it is searchable and you can annotate and share annotations. Why does that not motivate that the e-book is more valuable and therefore have a higher price than the paper book?

Fine, so if that's the criterion you want to apply, go and post one-star reviews for all the books that have a higher paper price than e-book price. I have no objection to that, as long as you allow that the people who think otherwise have a right to use the review system to say the opposite.

[Catlady]

Originally Posted by tompe

Assuming that people read all reviews and just not look at the average is kind of stupid or dishonest.

How charming of you to call me stupid and dishonest.

[CallOfCth'reader]

Originally Posted by tompe

And the point you seem to be missing is that here is nothing obvious with that the e-book price should have a specific relation to the paper book price. An e-book is more useful since it is searchable and you can annotate and share annotations. Why does that not motivate that the e-book is more valuable and therefore have a higher price than the paper book?

I don't search ebooks, annotate them, nor share said annotations, therefore the ability to do so adds zero value for me. I can also annotate pbooks, but I don't do that either, and neither do I factor that ability in when considering its potential worth to me.

People have different methods of determining worth. Personally, an electronic file (an ebook) has less intrinsic value to me than a solid object (a pbook).

[Nyssa]

Originally Posted by CallOfCth'reader

I don't search ebooks, annotate them, nor share said annotations, therefore the ability to do so adds zero value for me. I can also annotate pbooks, but I don't do that either, and neither do I factor that ability in when considering its potential worth to me.

+1

[HansTWN]

Just the length of this thread shows that the protest works, the word is out. It most probably won't change anything right now. But if only a few prospective buyers are made to stop and think then an important step has been taken. And publishers find out that they could sell a lot more units at a reasonable price.

Publishers seem to think that ebook buyers are all loaded and don't care about prices. Well, even people who ARE loaded can get angry when they are being taken advantage of. Buyers speak up in the only way they can get noticed. I understand that some people feel inconvenienced by this, there is no way around this.

[Piper_]

Originally Posted by CallOfCth'reader

I don't search ebooks, annotate them, nor share said annotations, therefore the ability to do so adds zero value for me. I can also annotate pbooks, but I don't do that either, and neither do I factor that ability in when considering its potential worth to me.

People have different methods of determining worth. Personally, an electronic file (an ebook) has less intrinsic value to me than a solid object (a pbook).

+2

And "value" =/= $ worth.

There are a multitude of good reasons we could list to prefer cotton sheets over silk sheets, but that doesn't mean people should be happy to pay more for cotton than silk.

I have no problem with people comparing the paper price to the digital download price.

(I think some prices are strange on paper books too, when it comes to the quality and investment vs price connection, but that's just another variable... and thread. )

[MovieBird]

Originally Posted by tompe

And the point you seem to be missing is that here is nothing obvious with that the e-book price should have a specific relation to the paper book price. An e-book is more useful since it is searchable and you can annotate and share annotations. Why does that not motivate that the e-book is more valuable and therefore have a higher price than the paper book?

Except that, according to the various EULA's, I don't own that ebook. Anything I don't own, can't share or give away, is inherently less valuable than an analogous product without those restrictions.

[OtterBooks]

alright, so what's the conclusion? lol

[DiapDealer]

My conclusion is that; stories that entertain me have value... regardless of the medium. The majority of the ebook buying public must agree with me or the price would have dropped already. At what point does the one-star brigade go from "fighting the good fight" to "graciously accepting defeat?" Or will these "activists" choose to be sore losers for an indefinite period of time? I'm guessing the later. Gracious isn't as much fun as mayhem.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

My conclusion is that; stories that entertain me have value... regardless of the medium. The majority of the ebook buying public must agree with me or the price would have dropped already. At what point does the one-star brigade go from "fighting the good fight" to "graciously accepting defeat?" Or will these "activists" choose to be sore losers for an indefinite period of time? I'm guessing the later. Gracious isn't as much fun as mayhem.

My conclusion is that the majority of ebook buyers are new to the game. They just bought their first Kindle, Ipad or whatever recently and try this new thing out without thinking much about it. What is so wrong about alerting the unsuspecting noobies?

And mayhem? One word, lol. Why don't you just accept that this is democracy at work? Apparently quite a lot of people feel this way. If all these efforts are in vain they will disappear sooner or later. The theory is, that most people will come to believe that the ebook version is not worth more than a pbook when they seriously consider all the issues. So just see how this plays out.

[Barcey]

My conclusion is that if a group of people form a picket line on the sidewalk there will be another group of people that complain that sidewalks were intended for walking and not for people to stand around with signs.

Industries with healthy competition understand the importance of customer satisfaction and that you can't measure it based on sales statistics alone. The publishing industry better wake up that they have a lot of very angry customers and that they have to measure customer satisfaction beyond staring at current sales statistics.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by HansTWN

What is so wrong about alerting the unsuspecting noobies?

You're seriously suggesting that noobies need to be told that the current prices are unacceptable? That just doesn't wash and you know it.

Originally Posted by HansTWN

Why don't you just accept that this is democracy at work?

Because it isn't democracy at work, consumers don't get a vote--except with their dollars. And consumer dollars are saying that ebook sales just keep growing and growing with each passing day.

Originally Posted by HansTWN

The theory is, that most people will come to believe that the ebook version is not worth more than a pbook when they seriously consider all the issues. So just see how this plays out.

Sorry, but it has played out in my eyes. The Agency Pricing model has been in effect for almost a year, now. Ebook sales continue to grow. The war's over. It's time for the Brigade to lay down their stars, come home, and start a baby-boom.

[HansTWN]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

You're seriously suggesting that noobies need to be told that the current prices are unacceptable? That just doesn't wash and you know it.


Because it isn't democracy at work, consumers don't get a vote--except with their dollars. And consumer dollars are saying that ebook sales just keep growing and growing with each passing day.


Sorry, but it has played out in my eyes. The Agency Pricing model has been in effect for almost a year, now. Ebook sales continue to grow. The war's over. It's time for the Brigade to lay down their stars, come home, and start a baby-boom.

You sound like Mubarak just before the end. Trying to beat people into submission by endlessly repeating "you have lost". It is far from over, it is only the beginning.