What will happen to Borders users books when forced to a new store??

wzambotti · 04-10-2011, 10:49 PM

I've been reading in this forum that a change from borders to kobo desktop results in a loss of books from the ereader. Why?

So with borders liquidating what will Borders users be facing?

Is there any Kobo technicians who can say if a transition path exists in this situation that safe guards the books users have already purchased?

siraks · 04-10-2011, 11:18 PM

just make sure you download your books with ADE, then you'll have the hard copies.
when you switch over to the kobo desktop app you'll still have your books purchased from borders but you'll have to load them through calibre or some other method but you'll still have your books.

MechR · 04-10-2011, 11:45 PM

DRM strikes again.

Anyway, Borders isn't dead just yet; Chapter 11 bankruptcy is for reorganization, not liquidation.

DaleDe · 04-10-2011, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wzambotti

I've been reading in this forum that a change from borders to kobo desktop results in a loss of books from the ereader. Why?

So with borders liquidating what will Borders users be facing?

Is there any Kobo technicians who can say if a transition path exists in this situation that safe guards the books users have already purchased?

Q1. There is only one database on your device. This database is what gets sync'd between the device and the web site and your pc version.

Kobo and Kobo compatible store sell books that are installed in your database and the store is the master. This is why you only get one store.

However, all of the stores also sell books in non-database format, basically ePUB and your device can also read those just as well only a few features like annotation capability will be limited.

Q2 Borders is not liquidating so far as I know. They shut down about 200 stores but the web site and ebooks were not affected. The company is hoping to continue operation on a smaller scale.

Q3 - Best not to depend on others to safeguard your stuff. You should always download the ePub version of the books you buy as well as the version that appears in your database. You can use Adobe Digital Editions for that.

Dale

wzambotti · 04-11-2011, 11:07 PM

Is there another thread that explains the differences between downloading from:

A book store via the PC
ADE
The downloaded ePub version

I just assumed if you downloaded from a book store you got the ePub version and the ePub version would be physically installed on the eReader.

If this is not correct where do I find the ePub versions of all the book store books I have purchased?

taming · 04-12-2011, 02:15 AM

Look in the "Purchased" section of your library on the Kobo site for ePUB versions of books that have them. You will see a button "Adobe DRM ePUB". I have not bought from other Kobo affiliated stores so I don't know if the same is true there.

Both the Kobo kepub books and the Adobe DRM books are ePUB. The difference is the flavour of the DRM. Kepub books are ePUBs with Kobo's proprietary DRM. The Adobe ones use their own proprietary DRM.

JVM · 04-12-2011, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taming

Look in the "Purchased" section of your library on the Kobo site for ePUB versions of books that have them. You will see a button "Adobe DRM ePUB". I have not bought from other Kobo affiliated stores so I don't know if the same is true there.

Both the Kobo kepub books and the Adobe DRM books are ePUB. The difference is the flavour of the DRM. Kepub books are ePUBs with Kobo's proprietary DRM. The Adobe ones use their own proprietary DRM.

I went into the purchased section and I do see that button. I haven't clicked it yet as I wanted to understand the following:

- does this version over-ride the kepub version on my e-reader (after I sync)?
- if it does, is it not preferable to have the kepub version as I thought I read there are more features available when reading via Kobo e-reader?
- if I download the Adobe DRM ePUB version, does the book get stored on my PC (can I select where to put these back-ups)?

If someone can give some advice here I would greatly appreciate it as I would like to download a back-up version just in case (though I have a chapters-version so I'm not facing potential issues with Borders).

Thanks.

Asawi · 04-12-2011, 10:38 AM

I don't have Kobo, so I'm not sure of the details how it works, but I have bought books on Kobo for other readers.
You do not have to sync this with the device. You can download it through Adobe and keep it in a folder on your computer where it can stay until you need it. Like a backup.

JCKobo · 04-12-2011, 05:14 PM

Hi Everyone,
We have addressed this on our Blog when Borders first announced their Chapter 11.

http://blog.kobobooks.com/2011/02/16/kobo-update/

Quote:

What does this mean for customers of Borders’ eBook service…?

Will I lose access to ebooks I have purchased at Borders.com?
Your ebook library is perfectly safe. The Borders ebook experience is powered by Kobo, an entirely separate company from Borders. Kobo is financially secure and will continue to maintain your ebook library no matter what happens.

Can I continue to buy ebooks from Borders.com?
Yes. Kobo will continue to provide ebook services to Borders customers through Borders.com and Borders apps and desktop software. You shouldn’t notice any difference in terms of service or selection.

Will I still be able to get technical support for the Kobo eReader or other device I purchased from Borders?
Yes. Borders will continue to offer phone and email customer service for devices purchased at their stores and Borders.com.

Will I still be able to get support for Borders apps?
Yes. Borders customer service will continue without interruption.

If you have additional questions about this, please don't hesitate to ask. I'll try to answer them here as best I can. We are also looking into solutions for customers who want to move from Kobo to Borders. Stay tuned for an update.

To answer JVM's questions:

Quote:

- does this version over-ride the kepub version on my e-reader (after I sync)?

This is independent. If you transfer it to your Kobo Reader, you will get two copies.

Quote:

- if it does, is it not preferable to have the kepub version as I thought I read there are more features available when reading via Kobo e-reader?

The Adobe version will not have some of the Kobo features, the most noticeable being syncing of bookmarks with other Kobo devices.

Quote:

- if I download the Adobe DRM ePUB version, does the book get stored on my PC (can I select where to put these back-ups)?

It's on your PC. Adobe puts the file in your Documents folder (sorry, I'm not on a PC so I can't specify exactly where)

Psyke · 04-13-2011, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JCKobo

To answer JVM's questions:

It's on your PC. Adobe puts the file in your Documents folder (sorry, I'm not on a PC so I can't specify exactly where)

Specifically, it should be found : My Documents\My Digital Editions

JVM · 04-14-2011, 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyke

Specifically, it should be found : My Documents\My Digital Editions

Thanks.

For others referencing this thread...I first downloaded ADE. I clicked open on the file after pressing the Adobe DRM Epub button (Kobo site), this opened ADE and the book was added to the folder mentioned above all in one step.

ltr · 04-14-2011, 12:13 PM

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if I download the Adobe DRM ePUB version, does the book get stored on my PC (can I select where to put these back-ups)?

When you download an epub file from Kobo it's actually a small file with a .ascm extension. You save this file in a directory of your choice.

Double clicking this .acsm file opens Adobe Digital Editions application (you'll require this application already loaded on your computer) and creates the DRM protected filename.epub file which is located automatically in:

C:\Users\username\My Documents\My Digital Editions\filename.epub

This book file can be dropped into the e-reader with ADE, Calibre, or Explorer.

ltr

jbcohen · 04-14-2011, 12:32 PM

Dale is correct. I have been saying this many times and I see i have not gotten trough as yet. Borders is not one company its actually three: Border's Book Group - which owns the other two comapnies, Border's Book Stores, which filed for chapter 11, and Borders.com, which runs the web site. Just becuase Borders' Books Stores filed for chapter 11 means nothing for Border's Book Group and Borders.com.

wzambotti · 04-14-2011, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Look in the "Purchased" section of your library on the Kobo site for ePUB versions of books that have them. You will see a button "Adobe DRM ePUB". I have not bought from other Kobo affiliated stores so I don't know if the same is true there.

Can't seem to locate any purchased section? Any clues!

PeterT · 04-14-2011, 06:19 PM

Try http://www.kobobooks.com/library/purchased.html

04-10-2011, 10:49 PM	#1
wzambotti Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2011 Device: Kobo	What will happen to Borders users books when forced to a new store?? I've been reading in this forum that a change from borders to kobo desktop results in a loss of books from the ereader. Why? So with borders liquidating what will Borders users be facing? Is there any Kobo technicians who can say if a transition path exists in this situation that safe guards the books users have already purchased?

04-11-2011, 11:07 PM	#5
wzambotti Junior Member Posts: 7 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2011 Device: Kobo	Is there another thread that explains all this? Is there another thread that explains the differences between downloading from: A book store via the PC ADE The downloaded ePub version I just assumed if you downloaded from a book store you got the ePub version and the ePub version would be physically installed on the eReader. If this is not correct where do I find the ePub versions of all the book store books I have purchased?

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siraks use the force Posts: 575 Karma: 564666 Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Ontario Device: Kobo Touch, Lenovo K1	just make sure you download your books with ADE, then you'll have the hard copies. when you switch over to the kobo desktop app you'll still have your books purchased from borders but you'll have to load them through calibre or some other method but you'll still have your books.

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MechR Connoisseur Posts: 50 Karma: 10 Join Date: Apr 2011 Device: Kobo Wifi	DRM strikes again. Anyway, Borders isn't dead just yet; Chapter 11 bankruptcy is for reorganization, not liquidation.

04-12-2011, 02:15 AM	#6
taming Trying for calm & polite Posts: 4,012 Karma: 9455193 Join Date: May 2010 Location: Mostly in Canada Device: kobo original, WiFI, Touch, Glo, and Aura	Look in the "Purchased" section of your library on the Kobo site for ePUB versions of books that have them. You will see a button "Adobe DRM ePUB". I have not bought from other Kobo affiliated stores so I don't know if the same is true there. Both the Kobo kepub books and the Adobe DRM books are ePUB. The difference is the flavour of the DRM. Kepub books are ePUBs with Kobo's proprietary DRM. The Adobe ones use their own proprietary DRM.

04-12-2011, 10:38 AM	#8
Asawi Gadgetoholic Posts: 1,467 Karma: 3865860 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sweden Device: Kobo Libra2, Tolino Vision 6	I don't have Kobo, so I'm not sure of the details how it works, but I have bought books on Kobo for other readers. You do not have to sync this with the device. You can download it through Adobe and keep it in a folder on your computer where it can stay until you need it. Like a backup.

04-14-2011, 12:32 PM	#13
jbcohen Wizard Posts: 3,033 Karma: 11196738 Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Where am I? Device: Kindle Paperwhite Signature edition and a Samsung S24 Ultra	Dale is correct. I have been saying this many times and I see i have not gotten trough as yet. Borders is not one company its actually three: Border's Book Group - which owns the other two comapnies, Border's Book Stores, which filed for chapter 11, and Borders.com, which runs the web site. Just becuase Borders' Books Stores filed for chapter 11 means nothing for Border's Book Group and Borders.com.

04-14-2011, 06:19 PM	#15
PeterT Grand Sorcerer Posts: 13,698 Karma: 79983758 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto Device: Libra H2O, Libra Colour	Try http://www.kobobooks.com/library/purchased.html