Amazon, B&N, Kobo: iOS aps to be pulled in June

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Horemheb

I think this is exactly what was meant.

I think too that the relevant laws should be changed. I wonder why a strong initiative to represent the interests of e-book customers does not exist.

Because Ralph Nader doesn't care about ebooks.

[Andrew H.]

Originally Posted by Horemheb

I wonder why a strong initiative to represent the interests of e-book customers does not exist.

Because DRM doesn't kill anyone.

[kennyc]

Good point....

plus the number of those affected vs the general population...

[Horemheb]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

Because DRM doesn't kill anyone.

Hmm. I believe there are more things worth correcting than just the ones involving killing.
For example we are too writing now here instead of somewhere else about 3rd world problems. That means we are interested in it quite a lot.

[kennyc]

Maybe we could start a campaign to prove that DRM is responsible for both Cancer and Global Warming!

Hmmmm....

[Horemheb]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Maybe we could start a campaign to prove that DRM is responsible for both Cancer and Global Warming!

Hmm. Are you saying then that although DRM is bad and unethical against customers but customers should not even consider doing anything about it?

[kennyc]

I didn't say that.

[Lemurion]

Originally Posted by Horemheb

Hmm. Are you saying then that although DRM is bad and unethical against customers but customers should not even consider doing anything about it?

How about an appropriate response? Buying non-DRM books has always been the idea that's made most sense to me.

[Horemheb]

Originally Posted by kennyc

I didn't say that.

Then I don't get why the scoffing. Was my idea indeed that ridiculous? I just wanted to reflect on the fact that although a lot of people are whining about DRM (including myself) I don't see any organized effort to actually do something about it. I would be glad to see something like that.

[Horemheb]

Originally Posted by Lemurion

How about an appropriate response? Buying non-DRM books has always been the idea that's made most sense to me.

That's excellent for one. There are however books where it is not an option. Most people won't wait until it becomes available without DRM. Which is very well reflected by the success of Kindle, Nook and Kobo.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Horemheb

Then I don't get why the scoffing. Was my idea indeed that ridiculous? I just wanted to reflect on the fact that although a lot of people are whining about DRM (including myself) I don't see any organized effort to actually do something about it. I would be glad to see something like that.

Nor am I scoffing. I'm suggesting an approach that Fox News listeners should applaud.

I think we should do everything we can to convince the publishers to drop the stupid idea and I am doing exactly that myself. But as indicated above, drm is not killing anyone (the way cars did and the reason Ralph Nader made a name for himself) and the market at this point is very limited.

Yes we should do everything we can to convince publishers to remove it, but it's very clear -- particularly with some of the recent moves -- that the major publishers and sales channels are going to fight it to the very end, even though they've seen what happened in the software, music and video industries. They are going to continue to fight against ebooks to their dying gasp and while they are doing that new publishers that embrace the technology and provide it appropriately to the consumers will rise. Support those that do.

P.S. my posting was not directed at you, it just happened to fall after yours.

[CleverClothe]

Originally Posted by snipenekkid

Nobody has directly mentioned the real reason one cannot read DRM EPUB and DRM MOBI/Amazon on the same dedicated reader device. It is the owners of the DRM scheme used that prevent devices from supporting multiple DRM schemes. Adobe and the old MOBI were both at fault for this situation. MOBI would not allow a device maker to license their DRM unless it was exclusive and Adobe took the same position with their DRM, ADE which is currently used in a HUGE number of titles.

Not true. You can use Adept (Adobe DRM) on the same device as MOBI DRM (if Amazon allowed it). Adobe has nothing to fear because it is the de facto standard for epub.

[CleverClothe]

Originally Posted by kennyc

Maybe we could start a campaign to prove that DRM is responsible for both Cancer and Global Warming!

Hmmmm....

Considering how many things in this country that DO kill people that we ignore, I'm not sure that would be very productive.

[Horemheb]

Originally Posted by kennyc

I think we should do everything we can to convince the publishers to drop the stupid idea and I am doing exactly that myself.

I am glad to hear that. I think these efforts would be more efficient when chanelling together in some formal way. Maybe hiring some bigshot lawyers? I don't know. I for one am willing to spend money on this purpose.

and the market at this point is very limited.

Well, I think we can safely say that the number of e-book reading people is well above one million. If only half of them spent half the price of a cheap e-book on this purpose that would be quite a sum.

the major publishers and sales channels are going to fight it to the very end, even though they've seen what happened in the software, music and video industries.

Well, I think that is one more reason to try harder because it seems they won't give in by themselves.

P.S. my posting was not directed at you, it just happened to fall after yours.

No offense taken I was just surprised after all the DRM bashing here. Nevermind.

[snipenekkid]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

As far as I know, it all boils down to Mobi doing that. From what I remember, Mobi's Terms of use prevents this from happening, not ADE's. Also, Amazon has been the owner of Mobipocket since 2005. Point the finger at Amazon.

Originally Posted by CleverClothe

Not true. You can use Adept (Adobe DRM) on the same device as MOBI DRM (if Amazon allowed it). Adobe has nothing to fear because it is the de facto standard for epub.

Ya must not have gotten to the above discussion. Still thanks for clearing it up. I still swear I recall Adobe was refusing to license DRM'd ADE unless they too got exclusivity. But nice to see a couple clarifications about the situation.

I do seem to remember MOBI was that way even prior to being bought out by Amazon so it was a Mobipocket policy rather than Amazon imposing their scheme and policies on them. Or do I have the bassawkwards as well? haha, would not surprise me today, it's been that way all day. Well it has been since 4AM anyway.