Copyright is Out of Sight

[wyndslash]

why is it called a darknet, anyway? o.o

whenever someone mentions that word i imagine Star Wars

[spellbanisher]

Originally Posted by Giggleton

Thanks for the digested version of this thread spellbanisher. It really helps to get things organized. I still stand by my "assertions" regarding what you consider entertainment. To me they are not assertions, but I have no other proof then simply myself saying,

"I have a deeper and more knowledgeable understanding of the world after watching a few Harry Potter Films".

But that is evidence enough I believe for allowing anyone who wishes to copy Harry Potter and share it with everyone else.

At the moment I'm seeing a global network where everyone can connect and where everyone is identified, everything you upload and download is marked and noted. In this network copyright would not be needed, do you agree? Attribution to the source would be automatic and payments could be made to the originator of a work accordingly.

This type of network is not too far off, certainly closer than food replicators.

There would of course be a darknet, but if the lightnet wasn't censored too much, I don't think I would mind using it.

Maybe some other time in another thread I'll make a thorough distinction between entertainment and art. That would be sure to upset lot of people. In short, though, entertainment is escapist, or in other words , its purpose is to distract you from the real world by either being pointlessy and gratuitously or sensationalistically provocative or as banal and generic as possible. Entertainment panders, it confirms our worldview instead of challenging it. Art tries to engage or capture realty. It does not pander. It tries to achieve truth. But what I won't go any further into that for now.

ON your second point I'm not sure I like the idea of everyting being tracked and marked. That just makes surveillance and government manipulation and censorship much easier. Still, the idea of marking all information and being able to reward content creators that way is a nice one. One way artists can be compensated is through isps and internet providers. We already pay for bandwidth. Isps could track torrents and other media and then distribute bandwidth money proportionally among content providers. Thereare other problems with this though, such as how do you keep Isps accountable, and how easy or difficult the process would be for smaller artists to be recognized by Isps. Isps could also try to squeeze out smaller artists though legal costs(essentially, the isps would refuse to pay artists knowing the artist couldn't afford to challenge them in court). Of course artists could counter by forming coops and guilds. I don't think this is something you would like though, because in this system people would be charged for how much banwidth they used. Still, think this ultimately could be a simpler system that requires less government coercion.

[spellbanisher]

Originally Posted by wyndslash

why is it called a darknet, anyway? o.o

whenever someone mentions that word i imagine Star Wars

It's a net that catches darkness, just like a fishing net catches fish.

[wyndslash]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

It's a net that catches darkness, just like a fishing net catches fish.

on the topic of governments, 1984 sure made me think. it's a good book.

[spellbanisher]

I'm not enirely sure what a darknet is, but I think it refers to filesharing networks. It used to refer to private networks, like peer to peer but now I think it refers to any network devoted to filesharing. In my mind at least, it also has connotations of illegal filesharing ot attempts to circumvent laws.

I think what Giggleton was referring to was that if we did track all files to try to compensate artists there would still be networks setup that would share unmarked or untrackable files, thus preventing the creators from being compensated.

[wyndslash]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

I'm not enirely sure what a darknet is, but I think it refers to filesharing networks. It used to refer to private networks, like peer to peer but now I think it refers to any network devoted to filesharing. In my mind at least, it also has connotations of illegal filesharing ot attempts to circumvent laws.

I think what Giggleton was referring to was that if we did track all files to try to compensate artists there would still be networks setup that would share unmarked or untrackable files, thus preventing the creators from being compensated.

there will always be pirates. but in terms of ebook prices, i really don't mind paying the same for it as for a paperback, but not more. thinking about it, i think we're all sort of forgetting the value of the book itself, i mean the content. we're all talking about prices in terms of the production costs, cuts, shares, etc, etc, like pieces of meat (i am hungry, thus the meat reference). i mean, as pbooks become phased out in the future (which i doubt for now. there are certain types of books that i enjoy more having in my hand), it will become harder to price ebooks. based on what? i mean, everyone's going to be saying that since they're digital files, there's little cost (aside from editing, blah blah).

[spellbanisher]

To add to my previous post, another problem with the isp model is the potentially massive administrative costs. imagine having to track millions of works. And what would be considered for compensation? would blogs count? plus, there would be the payment system. Would artists have to set up accounts with each isp? would isps have to make millions of payments, including having to pay some artists pennies? It could be a bloated and inefficient system unless specific terms were worked out for what gets compensated, and who would set those terms? Most likely big entertainment companies at the expense of smaller artists.

[spellbanisher]

Originally Posted by wyndslash

there will always be pirates. but in terms of ebook prices, i really don't mind paying the same for it as for a paperback, but not more. thinking about it, i think we're all sort of forgetting the value of the book itself, i mean the content. we're all talking about prices in terms of the production costs, cuts, shares, etc, etc, like pieces of meat (i am hungry, thus the meat reference). i mean, as pbooks become phased out in the future (which i doubt for now. there are certain types of books that i enjoy more having in my hand), it will become harder to price ebooks. based on what? i mean, everyone's going to be saying that since they're digital files, there's little cost (aside from editing, blah blah).

I hear what you saying (speak quieter, can hear you from manila!). People seem to only care for the cost with no mind for value. Still, I don't know how much you can blame the modern consumer. It's the wal mart effect. We're trained to want the cheapest things possible, and we don't care how those things or where those things were made.We don't care what the environmental impact was in production, who was involved and the human cost was. We just want it cheap and good. Books are now viewed the same way. Just another commodity. But isn't that what they have become. Books these days are made for for consumption, like a bag of potato chips. They should be fun, mindless, easily digestible, and shouldn't make us feel uncomfortable in any way. If it has a message its too preachy. Publishers and writers have been treating books like meaningless commodities for years, so you can't blame the consumer for agreeing with them

[wyndslash]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

I hear what you saying (speak quieter, can hear you from manila!). People seem to only care for the cost with no mind for value. Still, don't know how much can blame the modern consumer. It's the wal mart effect. We're trained to want the cheapest things possible, and we don't care how those things or where those things were made.We don't care what the environmental impact was in production, who was involved and the human cost. We just want it cheap and good. Books are now viewed the same way. Just another commodity. But isn't that what they have become. Books these days are made for for consumption, like a bag of potato chips. They should be fun, mindless, easily digestible, and shouldn't make us feel uncomfortable in any way. If it has a message its too preachy. Publishers and writers have been treating books like meaningless commodities for years, so you can't blame the consumer for agreeing with them

ugh, it's sad how 1984-ish our world is becoming D:
i have to admit that sometimes i like an easy book once in a while, but i generally lean towards essays and travelogues. (i love to live vicariously through other people without the danger xD)
i guess people nowadays are too sensitive, too everything. well, most of it comes from history, i guess D:

[spellbanisher]

Well, you read 1984, so not all the books you read are easy. Plus, there's nothing wrong with easy books, just as there is nothing wrong with an occasional bag of potato chips. The problem is, if literature is supposed to be food for the soul, then most people are feeding their souls nothing but junk food.

[wyndslash]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

Well, you read 1984, so not all the books you read are easy. Plus, there's nothing wrong with easy books, just as there is nothing wrong with an occasional bag of potato chips. The problem is, if literature is supposed to be food for the soul, then most people are feeding their souls nothing but junk food.

i was actually required to read it for class this term, but i had to admit, once i started, i couldn't put it down, and it started my desire to read more classical books. i think it made my friend (who is getting her masters in creative writing) happy XD

mmmm potato chippppsss......Laaaayssss....

[spellbanisher]

Originally Posted by wyndslash

mmmm potato chippppsss......Laaaayssss....

No, don't give in to the darknet, err, darkside I mean.

I think a lot of classics are as you said: hard to pick up and hard to put down.

[wyndslash]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

No, don't give in to the darknet, err, darkside I mean.

I think a lot of classics are as you said: hard to pick up and hard to put down.

yeah. it's the starting that's hard. but i'm sort of getting a taste for adventure, SF...I'm thinking of starting on Jules Verne in the summer(mine, not yours) when I FINALLY get my k3! (i'm having it sent to my uncle in LA. he's gonna come here in april :P)

right now i'm turking away to earn the remaining $70 i need for k3 and the cover. are you familiar with amazon's mechanical turk?

[spellbanisher]

Mechanical turkFirst I've ever heard of it. Just googled it. Looks interesting. How's that working out for you.

[wyndslash]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

Mechanical turkFirst I've ever heard of it. Just googled it. Looks interesting. How's that working out for you.

i have around $130 from it or so now...need $70 more since i also want to get amazon's lighted case. i started turking around feb. 11 :P