Copyright is Out of Sight

[Enkidu of Abydos]

Originally Posted by Nada y Nadie

Sounds like you equating writing with knowledge. How much knowledge did you get when you read LOTR?

A lot actually. A lot more knowledge about the real world then from many books about the real world.
Bad example.

[Enkidu of Abydos]

Originally Posted by silasgreenback

It would make more sense to kill most of the human race or employ eugenics than to rely on our species demanding quality.

That does make a lot of sense.

[Enkidu of Abydos]

Originally Posted by Fbone

Funny thing is ... forum members tell me the best pirate sites are private, password protected and require a personal invitation. For me that is a stronger barrier than walking into the library.

Actually, the best pirate site where you can find the most stuff for free is Google.com. And it's completely free and open.

[Enkidu of Abydos]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

No, they get those because they lobby and pay politicians to make it happen. In the UK, our version of the RIAA had a clause inserted into recent law that basically said anyone accused of illegal downloading is guilty until they can prove otherwise. There will also be a fee to pay before you can attempt to prove your innocence. The excuse for that was that it would make it cheaper to implement the law, but the real reason is likely to be because the standard of evidence against downloaders would never stand up in court.

That sounds completely unconstitutional and against every rule of civilized rule of law and justice. But then justice being bent for the interests of the rich and powerfull is nothing new...

[Andrew H.]

Originally Posted by Enkidu of Abydos

Interesting, that's just what I thought about some of the posts made by the many copyright proponents on this forum...

Only because you believe that authors shouldn't be paid for their work, but should create anyway.

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

Only because you believe that authors shouldn't be paid for their work, but should create anyway.

Which is not how the laws of physics, evolution, or business work.

What's artificial is the assumption that anything is "free."

[elcreative]

Another show of ignorance... Canute attempted to hold the tide back to convince his subjects and cronies that he DIDN'T have godlike powers... he didn't expect to hold the waters back, he expected to get his feet wet so renting a deckchair would have been rather counterproductive to the desired effect...

Oh and waving my fists is not something likely to change things in the real world as I am physically unable to do this and would find gnashing teeth to be extremely difficult but then it's always easy to take cheap shots at potential physical disabilities... better not done without knowledge... still pretty much in line with a lot of comments in the thread...

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Just like gnashing your teeth and waving your fists doesn't change what happens in the real world. There was a reason King Canute got his feet wet. He would have been better off renting deckchairs.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

What's better than free?

Convenience and quality.

Originally Posted by spellbanisher

I don't really have much of a point actually. I'm just wondering about how much government policing and control over the internet people will put up with to ensure there is no piracy. Sometimes copyright defenders can be overzealous, but I also think its clear that many sites that free-culture advocates defend (thepiratebay, megaupload) are dedicated to pirating and probably should be shut down.

The best you could hope for would be to push it back underground like it was before Napster got lots of free publicity from the music industry. All the file collectors are probably already there anyway, so it would only affect the readers/samplers. Since those are the type of people who spend a lot of money on legitimate digital content, I think that would be a big mistake.

But I do think it would be really funny to see entertainment industry profits take a dive when all the easy to find download sites are removed.

[elcreative]

And if that really is the case then it may take just that action to convince all the industry ostriches of their best interests... or poisoned birdseed

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

But I do think it would be really funny to see entertainment industry profits take a dive when all the easy to find download sites are removed.

[Namekuseijin]

Originally Posted by Enkidu of Abydos

Hear, hear !

I heard it before and didn't like then.

I don't yet like it, but chose to point out something about that particular train of thought: indeed the word now can be written by anyone and shared with everyone -- isn't that what Twitter, blogs and facebook are all about? Thankfully, I don't have to pay for those... nor read, indeed.

Idiot ideas and verbose narration about nothingness are worthless, but can certainly be shared by everyone. I want stupidity filters, though. I'm willing to pay for them...

[kennyc]

Originally Posted by Namekuseijin

...
... I want stupidity filters, though. I'm willing to pay for them...

Yes, please, me too!

[Enkidu of Abydos]

Originally Posted by HarryT

People usually grow out of the attitude that "I have a right to get anything I want for free" when they start having to make a living for themselves. In my experience, it's a predominantly teenage thing.

People's principles and stands on copyright and piracy have NOTHING to do with either their age or their source of income, at least if one is truthfull. Principles are a matter of one's world views. To say that anyone who considers copying digital files not to be theft is teenage and not making a living for themselves is absolutely ridiculous. There are adult software developers who believe in not forcing people to pay for software unless they want to (donate), and still make their living from that.
Don't mix age / employment status with principles / tastes / views. From what I've seen here it's more of a cultural thing, as the staunchest supporters of copyright here seem to be Americans.
And when you say someone's principle is not their principle but merely an effect of them being immature and unemployed you're calling them a liar and insulting them.
And if people making such statements are suspected of basically being liars with alterior motives, then why not suspect everyone else ? How about we suspect everyone on this forum who is against piracy of being a payed agent of the RIAA ?
I think we should presume people really MEAN what they say (and have no alterior motives / causes to say it) until proven otherwise.

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by elcreative

And if that really is the case then it may take just that action to convince all the industry ostriches of their best interests... or poisoned birdseed

I would be very surprised if they didn't already know precisely how much they are profitting from piracy. But to admit it publicly would mean that they would have trouble convincing governments to pass new laws that prop up their out-dated business model and save them the cost of implementing their own anti-piracy schemes. It's much better to just pretend they are losing $6billion per day and that is the reason their profits only grew by 25% in a global recession.

[Enkidu of Abydos]

Originally Posted by Andrew H.

Only because you believe that authors shouldn't be paid for their work, but should create anyway.

So I'm a slavery proponent, is that it ?
What a ridiculous twisting of my words ! Read every post I've made on this forum again (or don't)...

[Enkidu of Abydos]

Originally Posted by silasgreenback

...and naturally, men will marry goats next.

Is that illegal !?
Someone should have told me before...