Copyright is Out of Sight - Page 6

mr ploppy · 02-20-2011, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by carld

Because its their creation and their right to do whatever the hell they want to with it. You have NO rights to their work. They get to decide what's fair.

Even when they are dead.

HarryT · 02-20-2011, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Even when they are dead.

Yes, even when they are dead. Just as, if you build a house, and then die, the government doesn't come along and take it off your heirs. It is a part of your estate.

carld · 02-20-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

If it is only about saving money, how would you explain this?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/4718249.stm

They really like music, but aren't re-purchasing the stuff they've already downloaded.

carld · 02-20-2011, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

Even when they are dead.

Yes, of course.

mr ploppy · 02-20-2011, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by carld

They really like music, but aren't re-purchasing the stuff they've already downloaded.

But if it was about saving money, why would they pay for stuff they could just get for free?

carld · 02-20-2011, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mr ploppy

But if it was about saving money, why would they pay for stuff they could just get for free?

Maybe it's stuff they can't get for free. I don't pirate music so I have no idea how hard or easy it is to get hold of stuff. Regardless, that doesn't change my point. I've never known anyone who has pirated stuff just because it's convenient or move visible. It's always been about the money.

And even if it isn't always about the money, so what?

mr ploppy · 02-20-2011, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Yes, even when they are dead. Just as, if you build a house, and then die, the government doesn't come along and take it off your heirs. It is a part of your estate.

And if the heirs have no interest in exploiting that property I see nothing wrong if squatters move into it.

mr ploppy · 02-20-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by carld

Maybe it's stuff they can't get for free. I don't pirate music so I have no idea how hard or easy it is to get hold of stuff.

If you can download Danny and the Dressmakers tapes that only sold about 50 copies 32 years ago I'm pretty sure you will be able to download anything that is currently commercially available in digital form.

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Originally Posted by carld

And even if it isn't always about the money, so what?

You can't compete with piracy on price, but you can compete on other terms. The first step would be to identify what your barriers to selling are.

tompe · 02-20-2011, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

You are not entitled to the living. You ARE entitled to attempt to sell the products of your labour for the price that you deem appropriate to ask for them, whether you are a cabinet maker or a book author. Of course, people may not wish to buy them at the price you're asking, in which case you won't make a living, but that's very different to saying that someone is entitled to take them for free.

But you know all this as well as I do.

Yes, and you have no right to demand a state enforced monopoly like copyright.

So you are not entitled to the copyright system in the same was that I am not entitled to get money from the state without working.

tompe · 02-20-2011, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by carld

Because its their creation and their right to do whatever the hell they want to with it. You have NO rights to their work. They get to decide what's fair.

Yes, the can choose to publish or not publish. They have no right to a copyright system (monopol).

HarryT · 02-20-2011, 03:21 PM

Of course I have a right to demand that the state should enforce copyright - the law gives me that right.

I'm afraid that I don't see the connection with getting paid to read books; that is not at all the same thing as the creative act of writing a book.

kennyc · 02-20-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by tompe

Yes, and you have no right to demand a state enforced monopoly like copyright.

So you are not entitled to the copyright system in the same was that I am not entitled to get money from the state without working.

Oh yes he (and we) do. It's called the rule of law. It applies to houses, land, property as well as intellectual property.

kennyc · 02-20-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

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I'm afraid that I don't see the connection with getting paid to read books; that is not at all the same thing as the creative act of writing a book.

Not that same thing, but it is one way of making a living, by reviewing books, writing blurbs, etc.

HarryT · 02-20-2011, 03:27 PM

Certainly; I'm not saying that it's not a valid way to make a living. I simply didn't see the relevance of Tommy's suggestion that the state should pay him to sit at home and read books.

kennyc · 02-20-2011, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Certainly; I'm not saying that it's not a valid way to make a living. I simply didn't see the relevance of Tommy's suggestion that the state should pay him to sit at home and read books.

Agreed, unless it's a state paid book reviewing job. etc. etc. etc.

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Of course I have a right to demand that the state should enforce copyright - the law gives me that right. I'm afraid that I don't see the connection with getting paid to read books; that is not at all the same thing as the creative act of writing a book.

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HarryT eBook Enthusiast Posts: 85,560 Karma: 93980341 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: UK Device: Kindle Oasis 2, iPad Pro 10.5", iPhone 6	Certainly; I'm not saying that it's not a valid way to make a living. I simply didn't see the relevance of Tommy's suggestion that the state should pay him to sit at home and read books.