902 Pocketbook 902: first impressions and questions - Page 15

JimStar · 02-06-2011, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by paolamanzini

wow: and how did you fix it?

That was not so trivial bug as previous, so I can't explain it in a few words, I'm sorry... It will be a long and tedious post if I try to do it...

In a pair of words - all code in FBReader is full of bugs, deficiencies and stubs... The code on such a stage should not be allowed in the production version.

So, I decided to refactor all this crap on my own... If I can find enough time for it... I've already changed a couple of chunks of code today, so the beginning has already been made...
Otherwise it is nonsense: 9" reader is bought as a reader for technical books, the only normal common TEXT format for technical books that is designed for electronical screens is ePub, and PocketBook can not read this format although it is in specifications of PB. I need ePub (especially for 9" reader) and I'll do it myself, if PB can not.

Sorry my English...

rkomar · 02-06-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by JimStar

Otherwise it is nonsense: 9" reader is bought as a reader for technical books, the only normal common TEXT format for technical books that is designed for electronical screens is ePub, and PocketBook can not read this format although it is in specifications of PB. I need ePub (especially for 9" reader) and I'll do it myself, if PB can not.

To be fair, the default EPUB reader is AdobeViewer, and that displays the books well, as far as I can tell. I realize that there are problems with using the dictionary with it, but that doesn't mean that it "can not read this format". I use it all the time to read my technical books and am happy with it. Your anger over the dictionary bug is causing you to be overly harsh in your descriptions of the device. By all means, point out the problems with using the dictionary, but don't make it sound like no one else will be able to read a technical EPUB with the device, because it isn't true.

JimStar · 02-06-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rkomar

To be fair, the default EPUB reader is AdobeViewer, and that displays the books well, as far as I can tell. I realize that there are problems with using the dictionary with it, but that doesn't mean that it "can not read this format". I use it all the time to read my technical books and am happy with it. Your anger over the dictionary bug is causing you to be overly harsh in your descriptions of the device. By all means, point out the problems with using the dictionary, but don't make it sound like no one else will be able to read a technical EPUB with the device, because it isn't true.

Sorry, but read please my first post again if you do not see that I told about TWO big problems in AdobeViewer, not just "dictionary", that make the ePubs unreadable.
And the second one - is more important. Look at THAT. The fact that you can flip not fully filled pages with a HALF MINUTES waiting for the next page - is fact that ePubs are UNREADABLE in AdobeViewer (these are O'Reilly ePubs, they have a good coding, I examined the files, and they flips normally in FBReader, so - no complaints to "bad ePub" please). I will be old man yet read the book till the end with AdobeViewer.
So it's still unreadable in PB in the most cases.

Sorry.

mtravellerh · 02-07-2011, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by JimStar

Sorry, but read please my first post again if you do not see that I told about TWO big problems in AdobeViewer, not just "dictionary", that make the ePubs unreadable.
And the second one - is more important. Look at THAT. The fact that you can flip not fully filled pages with a HALF MINUTES waiting for the next page - is fact that ePubs are UNREADABLE in AdobeViewer (these are O'Reilly ePubs, they have a good coding, I examined the files, and they flips normally in FBReader, so - no complaints to "bad ePub" please). I will be old man yet read the book till the end with AdobeViewer.
So it's still unreadable in PB in the most cases.

Sorry.

Why don't you upload your optimised version of FBReader here? After all it's open source.

JimStar · 02-07-2011, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mtravellerh

Why don't you upload your optimised version of FBReader here? After all it's open source.

No problem. I've not given the link in a few simple reasons:
1) Not so more people from this forum are reading technical ePubs at that moment, and for all others - it is not actual. If people ask me - I'll give them a link to current stage to download.
2) I have fixed not all bugs - so, it is in a hard stage of my change and link given at today morning can be old at today evening.
3) My version do not have TTS, and people who need it - do not need my version. Situation with your question become strange, and looks as follows: PocketBook asks free developers to post their fixes to PB's software, but do NOT gives them the new SDK to make that work convenient. At now - I need to reverse-engineer the current firmware to learn that TTS API. And that may take a long time. Even this version is achieved through the thorns of extra work that is not needed in normal situation (where PB gives to all the new SDK).
4) PocketBook is a commercial firm. Do you think that is ethically to sell to me unfinished device for 500$ and then to ask me to fix it FOR FREE to firm could sell them more? It is not so difficult for me to fix it, but somehow this is not correct from ethical point of view...

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Originally Posted by mtravellerh

After all it's open source.

Tell it please to PocketBook top managers. PB have NOT published the current sources of "open source" FBReader installed in 2.0.4. And in this situation PB has no moral right to demand from me the source code of the old version that I've fixed at home (with lack of SDK that PB has not published too). At first, PB, publish please anything that should be published. And we go next with pleasure...

rkomar · 02-08-2011, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JimStar

Sorry, but read please my first post again if you do not see that I told about TWO big problems in AdobeViewer, not just "dictionary", that make the ePubs unreadable.
And the second one - is more important. Look at THAT. The fact that you can flip not fully filled pages with a HALF MINUTES waiting for the next page - is fact that ePubs are UNREADABLE in AdobeViewer (these are O'Reilly ePubs, they have a good coding, I examined the files, and they flips normally in FBReader, so - no complaints to "bad ePub" please). I will be old man yet read the book till the end with AdobeViewer.
So it's still unreadable in PB in the most cases.

Sorry.

Okay, that is a valid complaint, but it isn't really PB's fault. I get exactly the same behaviour on my Sony PRS-505 (in fact, it is even slower). It seems to be a problem with Adobe's Reader program in general. That doesn't make it less painful to use, but it does mean that every other device out there that uses Adobe Reader Mobile will have the same problem.

When I first did my timing tests 6 weeks ago, I saw that FBReader was even slower at chapter and section breaks than AdobeViewer. Since then, the situation seems to have reversed. I don't know if FBReader was sped up in the new firmware. However, O'Reilly recently released new versions of their EPUBs with improved fonts and readability. I just did a comparison with the previous versions on my 902, and the pauses at chapter and section breaks are much longer for the new versions than the old ones (in fact, I noticed this behaviour on my PRS-505 first since the pauses are longer there). It would be interesting to see if anyone else has noticed this out on the web.

JimStar · 02-09-2011, 03:54 AM

rkomar
But we talk about PocketBook in this branch, so all these complaints are to PB and they all fit to PB.

PRS-505 may have its copmlaints in another branch, and of course it can have some same problems.
Otherwise - we can say that "none is guilty bacause it is library problem". This will be a demagogy. Because things are as follows: you (not rkomar, just "you"

) sell device, you install in this device a defective library, you have a profit from sells, so - YOU is responsible for that defect because after you install defective library in production version - this is defect of device that you sell. Correct behavior: if you do not have hormal library - get a good programmers team and made it yourself, and only then sell it.

Yesterday I looked in a sources of CoolReader: after disorder- and bugs-nightmare of FBReader, CoolReader sources leave a very, very good impression. I am very pleased to investigate them, my compliments to clever russian programmer that creates it. I'm trying to port it in that moment...

Can not promise (all my time is consumed with my main work), but I try...

tomhck · 02-09-2011, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rkomar

To be fair, the default EPUB reader is AdobeViewer, and that displays the books well, as far as I can tell.

Maybe — if your books are in English. But for books in Czech (and many other languages as well) is AdobeViewer unusable, because it displays questions marks instead of some characters.

JimStar · 02-09-2011, 09:34 AM

PocketBook.

CoolReader.

Inagua · 02-09-2011, 10:05 AM

Hey Jimstar,

can you please tell me how I can install coolreader on my pb903?

Kind regards,
Inagua

JimStar · 02-09-2011, 10:20 AM

Patience, please.))
It is in a very alfa stage, most functions not work at this moment, I've worked with it only a few hours till now...

These are screenshots of my first execute of CoolReader on PB in process of debugging. In such a stage I can not give to you the executables. I'll give it to testing when it will be at least in beta...

Inagua · 02-09-2011, 10:25 AM

Oh okay I see. I didn't know that it was in such an early stage. Thanks for porting it!

mtravellerh · 02-09-2011, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tomhck

Maybe — if your books are in English. But for books in Czech (and many other languages as well) is AdobeViewer unusable, because it displays questions marks instead of some characters.

This has nothing to do with Adobe, just wrong coding of the source files (should be utf-8)

tomhck · 02-09-2011, 01:48 PM

I cannot agree with you, mtravellerh. This is Adobe fault. If i want to read Czech books in AdobeViewer, i must embed fonts. This is the same issue as with Adobe Digital Editions for PC. http://forums.adobe.com/thread/314859

kacir · 02-09-2011, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JimStar

PocketBook.

CoolReader.

Incredible!
Will there be version for 360 and 301?

02-09-2011, 10:20 AM	#221
JimStar Enthusiast Posts: 46 Karma: 100000 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kyobo eReader, Sony PRS-950, PocketBook Pro 902, PocketBook 360	Patience, please.)) It is in a very alfa stage, most functions not work at this moment, I've worked with it only a few hours till now... These are screenshots of my first execute of CoolReader on PB in process of debugging. In such a stage I can not give to you the executables. I'll give it to testing when it will be at least in beta... Last edited by JimStar; 02-09-2011 at 10:26 AM.

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02-09-2011, 03:54 AM	#217
JimStar Enthusiast Posts: 46 Karma: 100000 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kyobo eReader, Sony PRS-950, PocketBook Pro 902, PocketBook 360	rkomar But we talk about PocketBook in this branch, so all these complaints are to PB and they all fit to PB. PRS-505 may have its copmlaints in another branch, and of course it can have some same problems. Otherwise - we can say that "none is guilty bacause it is library problem". This will be a demagogy. Because things are as follows: you (not rkomar, just "you" ) sell device, you install in this device a defective library, you have a profit from sells, so - YOU is responsible for that defect because after you install defective library in production version - this is defect of device that you sell. Correct behavior: if you do not have hormal library - get a good programmers team and made it yourself, and only then sell it. Yesterday I looked in a sources of CoolReader: after disorder- and bugs-nightmare of FBReader, CoolReader sources leave a very, very good impression. I am very pleased to investigate them, my compliments to clever russian programmer that creates it. I'm trying to port it in that moment... Can not promise (all my time is consumed with my main work), but I try...

02-09-2011, 09:34 AM	#219
JimStar Enthusiast Posts: 46 Karma: 100000 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: Kyobo eReader, Sony PRS-950, PocketBook Pro 902, PocketBook 360	PocketBook. CoolReader.

02-09-2011, 10:05 AM	#220
Inagua Member Posts: 15 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: pb pro 903	Hey Jimstar, can you please tell me how I can install coolreader on my pb903? Kind regards, Inagua

02-09-2011, 10:25 AM	#222
Inagua Member Posts: 15 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2011 Device: pb pro 903	Oh okay I see. I didn't know that it was in such an early stage. Thanks for porting it!

02-09-2011, 01:48 PM	#224
tomhck Enthusiast Posts: 40 Karma: 26 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Czech Republic Device: Pocketbook 902	I cannot agree with you, mtravellerh. This is Adobe fault. If i want to read Czech books in AdobeViewer, i must embed fonts. This is the same issue as with Adobe Digital Editions for PC. http://forums.adobe.com/thread/314859

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