Amazon is talking out both sides of its [edited]

[susan_cassidy]

Originally Posted by screwballl

Also updated firmware is not automatic, it is manual update only, at least with the Kindle 1 and 2, not sure about the 3.

Not true. If you are in the current "batch" for a new update, and wireless is on for long enough, the update is automatic. You also have the option of updating manually, or via the menu.

[DMcCunney]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The problem is the moderators are going too far here and they are not even saying why they are going too far. We should not be treated like children.

Why is simple: MobileRead is trying to be "family friendly", and some posters have kids who read it with them.

The simple test is "Is the word one you would use in front of a small child?" If it isn't, perhaps you shouldn't use it in a post on MR.

There will be areas like the Politics and Religion section where we assume strong language is likely, but that is an opt-in section where it's a reasonable bet that kids won't be involved.

And unfortunately, some folks on MR who are legally adults do behave like children. Age and maturity are only loosely related.
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Dennis

[screwballl]

Originally Posted by susan_cassidy

Not true. If you are in the current "batch" for a new update, and wireless is on for long enough, the update is automatic. You also have the option of updating manually, or via the menu.

I understand that BUT, if your wifi and/or 3G is turned off, there is no way for the device to automatically turn it back on without you specifically turning it on yourself.
YOU as the owner have to turn wifi/3G on before it will check for updates.

Wifi and/or 3G OFF = no automatic update while turned off

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by screwballl

incest = family relation of any kind, biological or not. This goes for adopted family members, step-siblings or family by marriage (even step-cousins) are all off limits. there is no other way to twist it. Just because nature may not have problems, doesn't make it right.

and jbcohen you are so far off base, just go play with your $30 cheap Vietnamese junk reader and let the rest of us have educated conversations.

I don't class it as incest if it's not with a blood relative. A relative by name isn't the same.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DMcCunney

Why is simple: MobileRead is trying to be "family friendly", and some posters have kids who read it with them.

The simple test is "Is the word one you would use in front of a small child?" If it isn't, perhaps you shouldn't use it in a post on MR.

There will be areas like the Politics and Religion section where we assume strong language is likely, but that is an opt-in section where it's a reasonable bet that kids won't be involved.

And unfortunately, some folks on MR who are legally adults do behave like children. Age and maturity are only loosely related.
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Dennis

I would not use the words incest or pedophile in front of small children either. Yet they are not banned words.

[kindlekitten]

Originally Posted by jbcohen

Also scared by Amazon's ability to turn on wifi by remote and update firmware. Not that this is a bad thing, it means that anyone with sufficent knowledge can turn on your wifi, insert a virus and leave without your knowing it.

do you really have nothing better to do than attempt to foment discourse and unrest?

[mr ploppy]

Originally Posted by screwballl

I understand that BUT, if your wifi and/or 3G is turned off, there is no way for the device to automatically turn it back on without you specifically turning it on yourself.
YOU as the owner have to turn wifi/3G on before it will check for updates.

Wifi and/or 3G OFF = no automatic update while turned off

It's turned on and off through software, there isn't a physical switch like there is on a laptop. So you would basically be trusting the firmware not to switch it on without your permission. But by owning a Kindle you already agreed that Amazon can monitor your use of the device, so it wouldn't really be without your permission anyway.

[elcreative]

Actually that's a valid point... IF the Kindle remote facilities can be turned on by Amazon then anyone with the requisite skills and information can do the same... wow, a new threat to democracy and freedom caused by Amazon...

Originally Posted by kindlekitten

do you really have nothing better to do than attempt to foment discourse and unrest?

[screwballl]

Originally Posted by mr ploppy

It's turned on and off through software, there isn't a physical switch like there is on a laptop. So you would basically be trusting the firmware not to switch it on without your permission. But by owning a Kindle you already agreed that Amazon can monitor your use of the device, so it wouldn't really be without your permission anyway.

I am a long time computer tech, OFF is OFF, regardless if it is software, hardware or a robot. Many computers use a software based power system, where there is still a tiny trace of power still being drawn even when the computer is off, yet there is no technical way for a hacker to connect to this computer and force it to turn on. unplug the power cord from the computer and press the power button, that uses that trace amount of power still in the system to attempt to turn it on, yet the lack of power prevents it from happening. Thats why there is usually a little flicker of the power light for half a second.

If your wifi/3G is OFF, there is NO communication in or out. Therefore it is literally impossible for them to turn it on for any reason from their side. Just as it is impossible for the Kindle itself to turn the wifi/3G on automatically since your selection of turning it OFF tells the device the connection is not available. Doesn't matter if the Kindle is turned off, in sleep mode or in use. OFF IS OFF

Unfortunately the Nook DOES auto connect for library and firmware updates, and turn the wifi/3G on and then off, unless it is set in airplane mode.

[JeremyR]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I don't class it as incest if it's not with a blood relative. A relative by name isn't the same.

Yeah, I mean part of the reason there is a stigma about it is because of inbreeding and that being bad.

The Roayl Egyptians didn't have such a stigma and it kind of showed. King Tut had all sorts of weird problems and most ended up with funny shaped heads.

And then when the Greeks conquered Egypt and started doing the same thing, they started looking funny after a few generations.

And while it was mostly cousins, just look at European royalty.

Or Dawin's family

http://www.bionews.org.uk/page_59636.asp

[Catlady]

Originally Posted by screwballl

and jbcohen you are so far off base, just go play with your $30 cheap Vietnamese junk reader and let the rest of us have educated conversations.

This is the lovely belief that far too many Kindle owners express (here and elswhere)--that their device is superior, and all others are cheap junk. And then they wonder why non-Kindle owners get upset with them and/or point out the limitations of the Kindle.

[MovieBird]

How would a Kindle receive a signal to turn on the wifi or 3g if the wifi is off? Are Kindles telepathic?

[screwballl]

Originally Posted by Catlady

This is the lovely belief that far too many Kindle owners express (here and elswhere)--that their device is superior, and all others are cheap junk. And then they wonder why non-Kindle owners get upset with them and/or point out the limitations of the Kindle.

Really? So you use generalized comments to put me in a stereotypical group with others simply because I have a different ereader than you do?

1) I just got my Kindle

2) I haven't read more than 20 pages of a any given book on mine yet due to work and holiday stuff.

3) Looking at his profile info, he has one of the cheapest and worst made ereaders currently available based on all the reviews out there (most rate the Aluratek reader with 1 or 2 out of 5), how else can that be taken? Also considering the fact that they spelled the name of it wrong.
When he (or she) is commenting on a device which they know little to nothing about, especially spreading lies all over the place with 90% of their posts on this forum.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by screwball

3) Looking at his profile info, he has one of the cheapest and worst made ereaders currently available based on all the reviews out there (most rate the Aluratek reader with 1 or 2 out of 5), how else can that be taken?

I don't know, how exactly should we take the info in your profile that claims you have a Kindle model that doesn't even exist?

There's just no reason to bash anyone's choice of eReader.

[elcreative]

That's it... the aliens ARE coming now they can be telepathically invited by the Kindles, a new breed of subversive AI out to crush humanity...

Originally Posted by MovieBird

How would a Kindle receive a signal to turn on the wifi or 3g if the wifi is off? Are Kindles telepathic?